When you say "pass"....

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What exactly do you mean? Inspired by Challengings post on "panels".



When I used the PC a pass meant going over the whole car ONCE. Ive noticed that some people when using the rotary a pass may mean, within a 3x3 section, once over a particular area as wide as the pad or it may mean the whole 3x3 section ONCE. 2 passes would mean going over the 3x3 section TWICE.



So with a PC, when you say pass you mean......... ?



With a rotary, when you say pass you mean......... ?



THANKS! :bigups
 
to me 1 pass means: going over the area until the polish breaks down. That maybe 10 times going over the area before I am done (1 pass.) (using optimum polish for example.)
 
I think people use the term for either meaning. Really we should adopt two separate terms to distinguish. Maybe pass could be for how many applications on the car, and laps could be used for how many times you go across the panel in one application.
 
I use pass as in going over the area until the polish has properly broken down. Not to be confused with passes as in back and forth/up and down.
 
Same here, a "pass" means working the product until it's finished doing its thing: broken down (when discussing polishes), been worked sufficiently (paint cleaners), or effected coverage (LSPs and glazes). If washing, it means going over an area one time (as in "one pass with the BHB to get the worst off, rinse, then another pass with a mitt").
 
To someone who is not familiar with the "Jargon", it could mean several things, as expressed! Therefore the confusion!

The problem exists, the answer doesn't .

Accumulator has gone to great lengths to make sure I understand what he is trying to convey, with great success I might add.

It would do the website well to "Sticky" an explanation of the subject, it is definitely the vague area that will get new detailers into trouble rather fast! I would think that all would agree!

My vote: Accumulator, with your background/experience in this type situation I can't possibly think of a better candidate to get "STUCK" with performing the honors, LOL!



This is what you get for knowing so much, and being able to put it in print that everyone understands and comprehends without starting another and another post and still leave the forum saying "SAY WHAT!".

Changeling
 
Changeling said:
Accumulator...[expression of appreciation followed by suggestion for additional contribution]...This is what you get...
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Heh heh, ain't that the way of it ?! That's why I like leaving things along those lines to DavidB. and the moderators ;)
 
Don't you think we need to refer to 1 pass as a general expression of 1 left to right or up and down stroke. Some products require more passes to breakdown than others. If 1 pass means the cumulative amount of back and forth type actions that you do, then you won't need to do another pass then right? Why using a rotary, there's not too many times where I've buffed a panel over and over(reapplying product) to clear the finish unless I'm doing heavy scratch removal. I have some products that stay really wet and can be worked for a long time(10 strokes or more) and others that are dry in 3-4 back and forth strokes. That's a huge varience when describing 1 pass. Alot of people(especially newbies) are going to get confused.
 
I have to agree with Accumulator's example.



When I use the term "pass" I'm referring to how many times I had to start with more product on the pad. So the process of spreading then polishing the area is repeated.



This would infer that the previously applied product has "broken down" and as such has done it's function, so you gotta add some more.



Now with the Optimum line of polishes and compounds that could get tricky cause one doesn't need to keep appling fresh product to the pad. In those cases a "pass" may be how many times I lifted the machine up off the panel to inspect my work.



Passes can also be reffered to as "attempts"



MorBiD
 
Expanding on MorBid's post (I take too long composing these lengthy replies :o )...



IMO the vast majority of people here do have to go over a panel repeatedly, often *many* times (visions of somebody with a PC saying they lost count of their passes after number 37 or so). Even with a rotary, I often buff many times (yeah, I know, I oughta get some wool pads but I never do :o ). I even go over an area numerous times when applying LSPs via machine ("working" the product as when using the pseudo-spitshine approach with #16). People working by hand might go across a panel countless times just to break down a single application of an abrasive product.



The behavior of many products is application method dependent; doing one stroke across a panel by hand is very different from doing it with a rotary, and even just the choice of application media can make a big difference. I'd stick with the idea that a pass oughta mean one completed process that effects the single-application-functionality of a given product. To me it's all about maintaining the most uniform definition across the board, regardless of the type of product (abrasive/non) or application method/media.



I'd use "stroke" to mean once across a panel. That way we have definitions for both a single go and for a single completed process.



Don't mean that to sound like an :argue Topics such as this are of great interest to me so I enjoy discussing them, and I can be a bit opinionated about 'em too. I'm all in favor of minimizing confusion!
 
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Accumulators breakdown makes perfect sense to me, that is how I view the subject, it's logical!

Now, how do you get everyone to recognize the obvious?

Changeling
 
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