When to apply Z6

I've been substituting Clear Pearl and Show off for the Z-6 quick detailer between washings. Works wonderfully. They should really consider selling the Zaino quick detailer in larger and cheaper sizes. Laters
 
Don and darbh,



I agree with you both 100% I wish Sal would make it in larger sizes. I would prefer it in gallons, but I would take 32oz bottles, anything is better than the current size.
 
We should all call or email Sal with this suggestion. I'm sure he's heard it before but perhaps needs some more convincing. Laters
 
darbh... and other... please don't assume the moderators are able to read every post. We can't. If you need something done, please send a PM to 'autopia'.



Here are my notes on Z6:



1. I found that using Z6 before applying a fresh coat of ZSCP made polish application easier.



2. Using Z6 after buffing off ZSCP improved gloss and helped clean up areas that I did not buff off completely.



3. Worked well to refresh the finish after washing.



4. Worked well as a QD for removing light dust.



5. Did not work well as a lubricant for claying... a few drops of carwash works better.



db
 
I actually prefer using car shampoo for lubricant with clays. Kinda makes me feel good anbout cleaning paint and I find it does not dry as fast.
 
I washed my truck last weekend then QD it with OGSO. After that I realized it was warm enough and I had the time so I put a coat of z-2 right over the OGSO! And you know what it worked pretty darn well. Same slickness afterward and shine. I wouldn't recommend it as SOP but it did seem to work fine.
 
I'm with Guess My Name. I never got the idea of using a QD as a lube for clay. Using a shampoo would seem to offer superior and additional benefits. Most shampoos have very high lubricity (is that a word?), much more than any QD I have seen.



Also, shampoos have higher cleaning factors. They help dissolve any junk the clay picks up or encounters. Further, it seems if you clay with a shampoo, you are getting an added benefit free: you are REALLY giving that car quite a washing, in a way, while you are claying -- two effects for the effort of one.



Lastly, any junk encountered in the claying that has gotten mixed with the lube (the shampoo) has gotten mixed with a sufficant (something that breaks the adhesion of stuff to other things, technically, it breaks the surface tension bonds -- surface tension is the force that making water bead. Ever notice that soapy water will not bead? The soap has wrecked the surface tension -- the force that "pulls the water together"). Having any junk, film, dirt, etc mixed with a sufficant is great, because it will tend to rinse right off when you rinse the car after finishing the claying.
 
darbh,



Please don't take this as a spelling flame, but I believe you mean "surfactant".



I certainly agree with your reasoning, and have used Z7 + water as lube for Zaino clay with great success. However, I recently gave Clay Magic's bar a try . . . the directions recommend using CM's "Body Lube" (which appears to be a QD-like product) as a lubricant, and the salesman at the paint shop where I purchased the CM clay said that Meguair's Final Inspection worked well, too. Since I had some FI on hand, that's what I used, also with great success.



Next time I get a chance (which, unfortunately, may be next spring), I'll try the CM bar with Z7 wash for lube, and report back. I seem to recall reading in an old thread that someone had tried this, and that it didn't work well; the clay broke down. If this turns out to be the case, it may be possible (and this is pure speculation on my part) that some clay formulations do not work well with car shampoo lube solutions because of the surfactants making the water "wetter", and the cleaning agents breaking down the clay. CM clay is quite a bit softer than Z-clay, which might make it more susceptible to such an effect (if it exists at all).



Just some random thoughts at 4:00 am :o,

Tort
 
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Guess My Name [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I have used Clay Magic with Z10 wash and water mix. It works great.

The Mothers clay bar broke down. [/b]</blockquote>Guess,

Good to know . . . I may have confused Mother's with CM's bar in the old thread I read that talked about the clay breakdown in car shampoo lube. I'll use some Z wash and water next time; no need to waste the Final Inspection.

Thanks,
Tort
 
TortoiseAWD. Re "Surfactant" No offense taken. I suspected my spelling was wrong. Thanks for the correction. Spelling was and is not my strong suit, not by a mile, and is one of many areas in which I could improve.
 
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