When did people stop caring about their cars?

I really don't think it's any different today than say 30 years ago. Those that say we buy cars more often are wrong. I subscribe to a muscle car magazine, and I read month after month, and have heard it other places as well, that 40 years ago people were buying new cars every 4-5 years. After that they were normally considered junk.



Actually, if anything, I think there are more of us now that care about our cars and do more to keep them nice. If it weren't for the internet I know I never would have found out about this site and the many vendors that sell all the special products. Nor would I have taken the leap of buying a good polisher to work on my cars.
 
I think it's becasue the norm is poor condition. I've talked to people and showed them swirls in paint, and they don't understand that those are not normal. They just assume that they are becasue every other car in the parking lot has them. I was walking with my dad and there was an Acura (acutally a friend of his) that had horrendus buffer burn. My dad couldn't see it until I physically showed him the lines. After that when he looked at it he could see all of them and how bad it was. But nobody had ever shown him what it looks like before.
 
Grimm said:
I really don't think it's any different today than say 30 years ago...I read month after month, and have heard it other places as well, that 40 years ago people were buying new cars every 4-5 years. After that they were normally considered junk.



30 years ago (at least here in the salt belt) it was not uncommon to have surface rust on a car after a few years, and actual body panel perforation in 5 years. It was a real acheivement to get your engine to 100,000 miles, and that was usually after a valve job at 80,000. Warranties were 1 yr/12,000 miles, and people frequently traded their car after 2 years.
 
Paul is right - for most people this is a 4-wheel Frig. The sales number for Accords and Camrys would be below 3-Series or Audis ..if they were all obsessed like us.



Plus - you only see my clean cars on clean days!
 
Wow, thanks for all the responses guys. Without reading past this post #9 (yet), it seems like the consesus is more ignorance (Shall we say "lack of knowledge") than anything. Scary thing is, the "car wash industry" only makes this worse by spreading misinformation - I actually belong to the National Car Wash Association and even attended the NAtional convention in Las Vegas last year (though I wanted to open my own car wash) and I can say with certainty that they put a lot of $$ into spreading misinformation...they publish "studies" that say things like car washing at home produces significantly more scratching to your paint than does a machine car wash because the machine wash uses so much more flowing water. Seriously. So there's little hope for educating the masses properly when thes jugernaugt is steaming.



Setec Astronomy said:
That's not true, people keep their cars longer today...even the leases are longer.



People are just oblivious. They don't know anything about how to maintain their car, and they feel out of control because of the weather, parking lot dings, traffic accidents, etc. It's hard to feel protective of your car when you (may) have to leave it outside 24/7, it's subject to all kinds of abuse...I think people feel they are just shoveling against the tide...they know they are powerless to stop a lot of the damage, and I think they block it out to some degree so it doesn't eat at them.
 
IT is a FACT that people keep their cars for less time today than 25 years ago. You can talk to any manufacturer of autos and they will tell you the same thing.
 
It gets down to priorities too. I find if funny when people claim to have absolutely no time to do anything because they are so busy, yet they are up to date on all the TV shows.
 
There is a remarkable difference between now and when I was a kid a long time ago.



I grew up in the 50s and 60s. You could not look down our street on a nice day and not see several people out washing their cars. And I mean "haba haba" in regards to the girl next door when she washed in her bathing suit even if it were a one piece.



Plus teenage boys were required to wash the family car if they wanted to use it Friday night.



Today, I'm the only one you see washing cars in my neighborhood.



I think is it because of automated car washes. Most cars in my neighborhood are clean but I'm sure not to our standards. After all you can pull in one of those places and get you car washed and vacuumed in a matter of minutes.
 
I think there are two reasons for the "unkept" cars. One is convenience. Most people (non-autopians) find it much easier to just drive down to the local car wash, spend 5 minutes and the car is clean. Why would they want to bring out the hose, the bucket, sponges and soap to do it on their own.

The second thing has to do with pride. Nobody really cares about cars anymore. I have always been an Audi enthusiast. I take pride in keeping my car clean and sprkling. It's an obsession and a hobby. Cars, like was said before, is just another appliance.
 
RAG said:
Wow, thanks for all the responses guys. Without reading past this post #9 (yet), it seems like the consesus is more ignorance (Shall we say "lack of knowledge") than anything. Scary thing is, the "car wash industry" only makes this worse by spreading misinformation - I actually belong to the National Car Wash Association and even attended the NAtional convention in Las Vegas last year (though I wanted to open my own car wash) and I can say with certainty that they put a lot of $$ into spreading misinformation...they publish "studies" that say things like car washing at home produces significantly more scratching to your paint than does a machine car wash because the machine wash uses so much more flowing water. Seriously. So there's little hope for educating the masses properly when thes jugernaugt is steaming.



Funny thing, every Car Wash website I've seen uses the same UofTexas Report (I think). Car Wash Industry is quite political, plastering a large "Association" gives the idea of a credible business.



Different motives and different quality levels I say.
 
A few sorta-random thoughts on this, noting that different areas will have different things going on:



Back in the day (say, 3-4 decades ago) only "car nuts" washed their cars at home, everybody else ran them through car washes. Once those came out in the late 50s/early 60s people around here quit washing their own cars overnight.



Back then, it was pretty uncommon for people to take decent cosmetic care of their cars beyond washing. When I was a kid there were very few people using stuff like the Meg's Mirror Glaze line or other decent detailing products and the people who did use them were considered a little odd. Perhaps it was because the stuff wasn't too easy to use (my mother never got over how tough Simonize was back pre-WWII).



By the late '60s people started doing more, and by the mid-'70s it wasn't uncommon for people to at least use cleaner-waxes.



People *who could afford to* used to replace their cars pretty frequently, sometimes every year. My parents were considered unusually frugal because they'd keep theirs for a few years while my friends' parents traded much more frequently. Families would sometimes keep an older car, but it was a spare, not something they drove very often. It was an adventure (in the '60s) when my friend's mom would get out her "old" car to drive us to school- it was maybe 20 years old; now days nobody thinks my '85 Jag is very old.



Once cars quit rusting out or developing mechanical problems (think early emissions controls), people started keeping them longer. The change away from big styling updates made it less obvious that a car was a few years old.



Now, with 2-4 year leases becoming so common, the pendulum seems to be swinging back towards frequent replacement again. But then somebody buys those used, off-lease vehicles and sometimes they keep them a long time.



Now normal people have cars with >100K miles on them, that used to be unheard of...only a mechanic would have such a "worn out" car.



IMO most of the cars on the road here in Ohio look a *LOT* better than most cars used to look. As mentioned, within a couple of years most cars used to be rust buckets with oxidized paint.



These days a lot of people are doing a lot of stuff, and I suppose that keeping their "transportation device" looking "like a showcar" just isn't a priority.



If somebody want to neglect their car, ah...no problem for me. Better than neglecting their spouse, or their kids, or their dog :nixweiss
 
to quote my mom: "It's just a car"



to me, it's a thing of beauty and pride. To see my car sparkle in the parking lot with 100s of other cars that are filthy, that makes me feel good about it. A few months in a new car and a few drive-thru car washes, and the new car lost it's sparkle. I try not to let it bother me, but sometimes I just steal my mom's car and shine it up for her...my sister also has a dark blue car, and I told her whenever she feels inclined to wash her car, bring it to me and I'll do it for her...I can't have my SISTER driving a scratched up swirled car? What's that say about me?! I'm obsessed. I think a clean car says so much about a person...and no, the first thing I think about isn't "wow, that guy has too much time on his hands to have such a clean car", it's more "damn, someone else other than me actually cares about having a nice lookin car, woohoo!"
 
Everyone has made excellent points. Here are some of my thoughts:



1. I think education about paint protection is one reason. My uncle keeps telling me that cars nowadays don't need to be waxed anymore because they have a clearcoat. He thinks that the clearcoat protects from all the elements in the environment. Of course, I know this isn't true at all, but I don't want argue with him, I just let him be.



2. People don't know what a well detailed car looks like. When you are driving on the roads, you're lucky if you ever see a car that is actually detailed to perfection (no swirls, wheelwells dressed, etc..) If anything, you'll see a car that has just come out of the tunnel wash. Yea, it looks great from afar, but once you walk up.. SWIRLS!!! I think people think swirls are supposed to be on cars. They have never really seen any cars without swirls. Thus, they don't realize the destructive nature of these tunnel washes.



3. Others don't think that appearance has anything to do with the functionality. My parents argue that they don't care about the appearance of the car, they only need it to run well. For some reasons (that us autopians don't know, and will never know), they don't care much if the car looks shiny...
 
Hasn't the introduction of clear coat and the improvement of clear coat itself and paint overtime added to the problem also? I mean now we are getting into the realm of scratch resistant clear coat why would anyone bother to wash their car properly once this kind of clear improves.
 
Its amazing how little people care about their car, it really is. My neighbor came up to me one day and said (while I was detailing my car diligently), "Oh, don't even bother the next day its going to get dirty and someone will ding up your door!" "I used to be like you but I gave up".



I couldn't believe the trash she was telling me after I just bought a $50,000 car. Pissed me off..
 
The introduction of clear coat has absolutely contributed to the problem. people look at their cars and do not think they have to do anything other than run through the car wash....and in many ways they are right. They will not rust for the most part.
 
I agree with everyone elses comments....I find it's usually ignorance or just a lack of concern. For instance, when I hang out at the local car shows during the week/weekend and walk around looking at some of the vehicles you never ever hear anyone talking about swirl marks. If the car is "clean" and shiny...then it's detailed in their eyes. It could be as swirled as a cinnamon bun and 99% of the people (yes these are car enthusiasts too!) would think it looks fantastic because the car is shiny..and the wheels/tires are clean and sprayed with tire wet.



On the other hand you have folks that, like a lot of others said, think of their cars as an appliance. It's like the age old saying "if it gets me from Point A to Point B then that's all I need." They don't think of their vehicles much past having them run mechanically smooth and the occasional $3.00 special at a gas station car wash.



One particular occasion comes to mind. A couple of years back when I had my GT I was cruising around with some Mustang club members when we all stopped at a gas station to fill up. I'll never forget this guy who had dust all over his rear bumper taking a piece of wadded up printer paper and literally scrubbing his rear bumper/trunk lid to get all the dust off. I was in the next lane at another pump and you could literally hear the dirt sliding on his clearcoat. Sounded like sandpaper!
 
AutoCanon said:
For instance, when I hang out at the local car shows during the week/weekend and walk around looking at some of the vehicles you never ever hear anyone talking about swirl marks. If the car is "clean" and shiny...then it's detailed in their eyes. It could be as swirled as a cinnamon bun and 99% of the people (yes these are car enthusiasts too!) would think it looks fantastic



We have a little local car show here once a year, and it was amusing to see just what you say, some of the entrants wiping down their enormously swirled vehicles (including some classic Porsches) with QD from a "famous" car products company. I felt like if I pointed out the swirls to them they would say "yeah, but I use *insert product name*!"



I guess my point is if a fair number of car showentrants (mind you, this is just a little local "bring what you got" show), including some classic car owners, have no clue about swirls, there's no hope for the general public.
 
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