What would you charge for this paint overspray job? (4 pictures)

Jakerooni said:
I agree with Dave on this one. If you can determine that it even can be removed (by testing an area like I mentioned) it should fall into normal detail pricing. If you charge by the hour just charge your normal rate. Raising your rates due to the "diffculty" of the job is idiotic at best. ESPECIALLY if you already charging an hourly rate. this is a great way to ruin a reputation and get one in return for ripping off customers based on opinions. One set price for all jobs regardless. Only way to run a reputable business. If it's a hard job you'll get paid more for the hours you put in if your charging by the hour.
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I would agree with you up to the part when you said "fall into normal detail pricing".....



This is not a normal detail by any means and it's already an insurance claim, so think what it would cost to replace those panels or disolve it, and sand it off and repaint all those surfaces.



Those are the reasons it should be charged at an extreme rate since it's an extreme situation, not to take advantage of a situation but because the situation is so extreme.
 
While it's bad there Josh, If it's correctable I wouldn't call it "extreme" We get dirty nasty cars in here all the time. Why? Because those are the ones that actually NEED to be cleaned. this would be no different IF if could be cleaned. A job is a Job. and if your charging by the hour your already going to get paid well. The only person that would get any sort of "screwjob" out of this is a guy that has a set rate (like me) and quotes it for the set rate and not by the hour. It seems alot of detailers on here like the clean cars to come in. They see a little road tar on the paint (or paint on the paint) a little grease ground into the carpet and everyone goes off on a wild tandem about how they should double triple or even more their prices to deal with such issues. Why detail a clean car? Why pay money to have your clean car detailed? Never made any sense to me unless it's one of those high end exotics that just need a basic maintence package. If this can be corrected it's nothing to serious to worry about. Charge normal rates and take your time to get it done right.
 
I too don't get why the hourly rate would go up. I meant you go to a mechanic and they charge X amount an hour whether you need a nail removed from your itre or you need a head gasket installed.
 
ohh that's a doozie. I hate roadpaint. I've had so many unsuccessful cracks at it. It usually ends up in scraping it off and taking paint with it.
 
Honestly, for those type of jobs I intentionally overbid because I don't want to do them and if I do get the job, at least I am getting paid well for something I hate doing. The only exception would be if it was a regular customer. I very rarely accept overspray jobs from cold calls because I absolutely hate doing them. I also don't like dealing with insurance because it can take up to several weeks, even months, to get paid. If they say insurance is paying for it, I tell them that I need to get paid when the job is completed and they can wait on the check. Maybe that makes me an a-hole to some people but everyone else pays when the work is finished, they can too. I prefer to keep the same payment policy with everyone.
 
I also do not understand nor agree with raising an hourly rate based on the condition of the vehicle...



If it is in bad shape, it will take more time, which equates to a higher overall bill based on my STANDARD hourly rate that I can justify, and exhibit in a simple dollars and cents invoice without having to expain anything...



I will add that when quoting a job that I am unsure how long it will take I always over estimate as in my opinion any savy business owner should. With that said, if I do not exhaust all of the time I quoted, the invoice reflects that.



I've been asked to quote a few jobs that I just flat out wasn't interested in doing so i quited so high thinking the customer would decline... when they accepted my quote I was was very surprised. When I was done with the job I didn't feel that was a good decision for my business and as a result will now turn down jobs I am not interested in as opposed to over quoting.. I have the luxury of being able to do this since this is not my primary source of income.



So to answer the OP's question I would tell the customer my hourly rate and then give a high estimate and tell them that this can fluctuate +/- "X" hours and they will be billed accordingly.
 
If I was you I would charge by the hour, and let them know that it all may not come off. I have used the Cleaner wipes for paint removal, they work quite well. I also used Sprayway-870 Vandalism Mark Remover, which works great but it seems to evaporate faster. You are going to have fun with the trailer! Hope that helps.



Dave
 
JoshVette said:
Yes, the rate should be double at least, this is an extreme situation and most owners tend to expect you to wave a magic wand and everything be gone.

Did you actually look at those pics of the paint cakes on and all inbetween the little cracks and crevisses?



So David, if this job is "not that big a deal" then how would you suggest getting it off? You obviously have experience with this type of overspray.
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This may be an extreme situation if you're inexperienced doing this type of work. For people that do this regularly, it's not a big deal. If you have the right product, it's not that hard to do correctly without damaging the paint. This job is really easy compared to alot that I've fixed and paid to fix.



JoshVette said:
This is not a normal detail by any means and it's already an insurance claim, so think what it would cost to replace those panels or disolve it, and sand it off and repaint all those surfaces.



Those are the reasons it should be charged at an extreme rate since it's an extreme situation, not to take advantage of a situation but because the situation is so extreme.
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You're right, this isn't a normal detail. Honestly, it's really not detailing at all. This is a job for someone who specializes in paint removal. There's people that cater to this type of repair and specialize in doing it cost effectively. If someone isn't familiar with this repair, they could end up creating more damage than repair. It seems like the people that are most likely going to overcharge for the job will loose out if the customer takes it to the right place that knows this repair. This ins't any "extreme" situation by any means. It's only extreme to the people who aren't familiar with it.



If this was an insurance claim, the insurance adjuster (if they know their head from a hole in the wall) would write to remove this from the vehicle. The insurance company I work for insures a few road painting companies and I've adjusted many dozens of similar and worse claims. I would never write to replace or repaint any part of that truck other than the trim. I know it can be removed and what it takes to do it. If someone told me they were charging anything close to $100 per hour, I'd laugh at them and tell them to go pound sand. If someone thinks they can charge an unrealistic amount or rate just because they know the expense of repainting the area, they have alot to learn.
 
I have done more than a few road paint removal jobs in the past. I suggest using a sparay bottle filled with paint thinner, spray the paint and let it dwell for about 20-30 seconds, which will soften the paint, and scrape off what you can with a plastic razor blade. Plastic razor blades work really well at taking the brunt of the paint off without hardly any damage. Then soak a cloth with the thinner and gently wipe until it is all gone. I would be really careful of any plastic as the thinner will melt it.



I would not charge a penny less than $700 for the job.



Good luck!
 
$700 = 14hrs @ $50 per hr. I'd be surprised if that job took more than 1/2 that time and you spent more than $30 in materials? Seems kinda high to me. After you remove all the trim and moldings, there's really only yellow paint on a few portions of the rockers(it has a full length running board) and 1 side of the trailer.
 
I agree with not raising the hourly rate. It seems every time a so called extreme job comes up, first thing that is mentioned is raising the rate or over bidding. How professional is that. If you don't have the knowledge or techniques to do the job, then refuse it.



I have done road paint in the past and yes it involves a different skill set, than regular cleaning, but knowledge of what can be done and what can be damaged is simple. Ask questions. Auto body shops, sites like this, chemical companys etc.



I agree the plastics will probably be damaged and might have to be replaced, this should be included in the quote. This also gives you the go ahead to try and salvage them, they get ruined, move on.
 
my name is Jeff Suggs I am in the overspray removal business, and have been for over 23 years. Most of the major overspray companies charge around- $400 to $500 because of traveling expensive and other cost when they are not from your area. I charge a flat rate of $400 no manner the condition of the vehicle. I have several methods of overspray removal from your vehicles paint, glass, trim and molding pieces, textured or smooth. Long before the clay bar was invented I was using my blading technique to remove any type of overspray. I have also invented a five step process to remove epoxy paint overspray from the trim and molding pieces that will blow your mind when you see how I am able to polish these parts to a mirror finish. I have also came up with a great way to remove hard water stains from your vehicles paint, glass, trim & moldings. If anyone wants to see some of my work, just google "paint overspray removal" then hit videos. Or you can find me on facebook to check out websites from all over the world featuring my videos. None of my work has ever been duplicated by anyone on the internet or elsewhere
 
UMMMMMMMMMM........ I use clay on painted surfaces, and I have never had a problem removing road paint!!! The non-painted surfaces might be a little tougher... try a pressure washer that puts out at least 4 gallons a minute, and 3500 PSI, that should take a lot off of the plastic parts!
 
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