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haha. Well if you don't go that route you will most likely have to order online. If you have any detailing supply places near you they might have some but the ones I have been to do not. Only light agitation is usually needed after letting these dwell for a few minutes.Cool, Ill try it, Ive never seen that stuff, where do I buy, I was going to try it in my dishwasher on Pot scub cycle when the GF was at work, lol