WG Question

Sveta

Sveta

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Now I'm really confused.



I thought one needed the WG pre-cleaner to use the sealant effectively. Now I see TWO conflicting opinions from two of my more "trusted" posters.



"Nosebleedspeed" convinced me WG workes well over other polishes in response to my saying EX-P was a great (cheaper)choice because it would go over products people already have, etc.....more or less.



"Thinksnow" posted recently that he thought the pre-cleaner was very important to the WG sealant working right....,more or less.



I'm not the ace detailer either of these good guys are so could we settle this issue....once and for all? Throw in FMJ to the mix if you want.



I have my WG sealant for Saturday and NO Pre-Cleaner. Was going to use over #7 OR VM...... :mad: not really:D



I understand Bill Norths frustrations....:xyxthumbs
 
What I have found is: WG Gloss needs to bond to a "prepped" surface that is not carnuba based. Therefore, people have been experimenting with various bases for WG. I have sucessfully used WG Precleaner as well as AIO. Both get the surface ready for Gloss to adhere. I'm very curious as to whether or not it would bond to VM as a base. WG Gloss is an interesting product...there really has not been a product like it , chemically, before..(as far as I know). It doesn't seem to have the same kind of solvents as UPP and Blackfire.

The strange thing about this place is...if we all used the products we buy EXACTLY as the directions state..we wouldn't have all these little "flare ups". The problem...or fun...is that we ALL seem to try different products with other companies products. Consequently...there is alot of trial and error around here. To me ...that's the fun! In all reality, I could be very happy simply using WG Pre cleaner and Gloss...and nothing else. They work beautifully together. But there's that magical HOLY GRAIL that we all seem to aspire towards...that "even better shine"
 
Here’s my take on the subject - -



It is commonly understood that the synthetics form a bond with the underlying surface, and if there is an oily or waxy layer on the paint then the synthetic cannot bond to the paint. Basic synthetic practice thus dictates that it be applied to an oil/wax free surface.



As a starting point it makes little difference how you arrive at this “clean� paint surface, but since nobody except the manufacturer knows the chemical makeup of each synthetic it may well be that some (all?) of the proprietary pre-cleaners contain an ingredient that improves the bonding and/or decreases the bonding time.



Most Zaino users (including me) feel that a wipe down with Z-6 QD immediately before applying the Z-2 or Z-5 improves the results, so maybe there is also a chemical “helper� in the proprietary QDs. Nobody knows for sure except the manufacturer.



If you only do a quick experiment with different techniques, methods, and sequences you will learn very little. If you have a hard finish carnauba on your paint and then top with a couple of layers of any of the synthetics (including Zaino) you will see good looking results, but after a few days its back to looking like the original carnauba. Some synthetics (such as Platinum Ultimate and I assume Wolfgang) used as a carnauba topping will have longer lasting good appearance than topping with Zaino.



After playing and experimenting with most of the synthetics I have developed a sequence that works well for me:

Since the synthetics have more clarity and reflectivity than carnauba a thorough surface prep is well worth the effort. Clay, polish, Dawn as needed. For all of the synthetics except Zaino I then do a PC applied pre-cleaner with the same label as the synthetic - for Zaino I use Klasse AIO as my pre-cleaner. Then I mist and wipe each area with the QD that matches the synthetic and immediately follow with the synthetic before moving to the next area.



Experiment, find out what works best for you, and have fun!
 
I appreciate your really excellent replies, guys! They confirm some of my orginal thoughts about having to use the complete WG path. My experience with EX-P sealant, however, reinforces original thinking that EX-P is the superior VALUE to WG since it is so "most polishes" friendly.



EX-P sealant posts and the bottle's own instructions say it can be used with "most" polishes (recommending Poorboys own). Others have had no problems and so I VM + EX-P x2 + #16 over a three day period. No problems, yet, and it looks great on white. Maybe EX-P, being an Amino Functional Resin, whatever that is, puts it into a different catagory than say WG, FMJ, Zaino(?), etc., bonding issue wise? I wouldn't know.



I await further discussion and hope to hear from "NoseBleedSpeed" again as he seems to have used WG alone with no problems. Here's hoping.:up
 
My directions with the Wolfgang kit says the pre-cleaner preps the paint so the sealant will bond properly, but the instructions on neither bottle mention that is necessary to use the pre-cleaner prior to the sealant.



So far, I have only used them together.
 
Marty I inquired with Autogeek about this before and it is not neccessary for you to use the WG Pre-cleaner. The main point that their tech told me was to make sure the area was well prepped didnt have to be done with WG but needed to be done. You can always email their tech dept, their guy their has always been patient and helpful with me. Hope this helps
 
Many thanks, Speedracer. This is very good news and you saved me a call (and order) today! :bow :usa
 
Quote: “…carnauba on your paint and then top with a couple of layers of any of the synthetics (including Zaino) you will see good looking results, but after a few days its back to looking like the original carnauba. Some synthetics (such as Platinum Ultimate and I assume Wolfgang) used as a carnauba topping will have longer lasting good appearance than topping with Zainoâ€�.



~One man’s opinion / observations ~



Or a couple of layers of any of the synthetics (including Zaino) on your paint and then top with a couple of layers of carnauba you will see good looking results,



~Hope this helps~



Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*
 
~One man’s opinion / observations ~



The original question “I thought one needed the WG pre-cleaner to use the sealant effectively.�

As long as the surface is prepped with a compatible pre-cleaner it shouldn’t matter. Their statement goes along with both good marketing (buy more of our products) and Joe public preference for ‘one stop shopping’ (then he doesn’t have to know / find out what is compatible)



I don’t know what colour vehicle your thinking of using WG products with but * IMO * it’s looks great on metallic paint



~Hope this helps~



Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*
 
TOGWT said:
Quote: “…carnauba on your paint and then top with a couple of layers of any of the synthetics (including Zaino) you will see good looking results, but after a few days its back to looking like the original carnauba. Some synthetics (such as Platinum Ultimate and I assume Wolfgang) used as a carnauba topping will have longer lasting good appearance than topping with Zainoâ€�.



~One man’s opinion / observations ~



Or a couple of layers of any of the synthetics (including Zaino) on your paint and then top with a couple of layers of carnauba you will see good looking results,



~Hope this helps~
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When I wrote about topping carnauba with a synthetic I was NOT making a suggestion. It was my feeble attempt to illustrate that the user will learn little with only a quick experiment with different techniques, methods, and sequences.
 
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