Wettest wax or sealant you have used

nope - have done UPGP over DWG and you can clearly see a difference vs over PPP... the finish from UPGP comes alive at 3 layers so clearly seems to be layerable, as long as whatever is underneath is fully cured...



Going to try Z-2 over DWG in the spring :)
 
Wow this thread I started is a classic.



Here's my latest.

Prior to starting Take one ounce of Optima ID place in 16 oz sprayer - fill with water almost to the top. Place in freezer without the spray attachment.



Men. PO85RD apply with a finishing pad. Don't remove. Go back over the same area's again with PO85RD. Remove. RMG same way apply let dry go over again. Remove. Vintage wax same way.



So you have your wax on top. Take the frozen OID and place in microwave for 50 seconds. Put sprayer on and shake it. You have cold OID. Spray lightly over the wax and remove with Microfiber. Wow what a shine. I know you think I'm crazy but it works!!!
 
ENVYMYZ said:
How would you judge an LSP?
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Ideally an LSP is something best viewed by the naked eye in natural sun light. Anyone can take a flattering picture under flourescents or with ideal lighting.
 
Pats300zx said:
It's all about the hype....
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It is.



I do find it funny, however, to read his above post when Todd is just as guilty as the rest of us in providing pictures to "show" the immense gloss or beauty of different LSPs; most recently DODO SuperNatural.
 
RogueM3 said:
It is.



I do find it funny, however, to read his above post when Todd is just as guilty as the rest of us in providing pictures to "show" the immense gloss or beauty of different LSPs; most recently DODO SuperNatural.
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I don't know what you find funny when I always claim that is the camera and the photographer. I have never used a picture to do anything other then show off the car I worked on, and even then I would say that 90-95% of the look is from the prep work. I have never used (or stated) that my pictures show off any lsp acurately... To view a wax, lsp, surface, you need both eyes to provide a 3d view. Pictures only have two dimensions so it is impossible to see "depth" or the jetting effect which is how far "under the skin" the reflection is.



Wetness is more a factor of lighting (shoot your car's 1 hour before sunset or 1 hour after sunrise)...
 
look at my new diamond pebble wax, great reflectivity, very wet... I will sell you some for 20k (out of my personal wedding wine glass) and teach your to apply it. Then we will take some sharp angle photos and tell everybody how good it is :D



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but here is the other side of the car... a little dirty (and never waxed :P) In the sunlight you can see the dirt (the other side was in the same condition, just shot in the shade of the car)



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and in the sun it looks like...



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TH0001 said:
look at my new diamond pebble wax, great reflectivity, very wet...



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but here is the other side of the car... a little dirty (and never waxed :P)



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and in the sun it looks like...



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The owner of that HHR should contact Bella Macchina for some help on that:)
 
TH0001 said:
I don't know what you find funny when I always claim that is the camera and the photographer. I have never used a picture to do anything other then show off the car I worked on, and even then I would say that 90-95% of the look is from the prep work. I have never used (or stated) that my pictures show off any lsp...
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You do say that it is in the prep work in your posts, to that I will agree. That said, everyone on Autopia knows prep work is the basis for an excellent LSP appearance, so saying "its in the prep" is slightly redundant on Autopia.



To say that you have never posted your pics to show off an LSP is untrue. Have you never posted your results through pics showcasing SuperNatural (the outrageous Lambo detail, for instance)? As detailers we always provide (or strive to provide) excellent prep work and that goes without saying. However, Im as guilty as the next guy (and you are too) of providing full detailing pictures including those of the LSP and letting them do the talking. I dont have time here at work to go searching, but I flat don't believe you have never posted pictures and commented on the look/effect of a given LSP.



This is all coming from an honest observer. I would have said nothing, as we ALL post LSP-applied pictures. However, to act as though you are above such a post is what caught my attention.
 
RogueM3 said:
You do say that it is in the prep work in your posts, to that I will agree. That said, everyone on Autopia knows prep work is the basis for an excellent LSP appearance, so saying "its in the prep" is slightly redundant on Autopia.



To say that you have never posted your pics to show off an LSP is untrue. Have you never posted your results through pics showcasing SuperNatural (the outrageous Lambo detail, for instance)? As detailers we always provide (or strive to provide) excellent prep work and that goes without saying. However, Im as guilty as the next guy (and you are too) of providing full detailing pictures including those of the LSP and letting them do the talking. I dont have time here at work to go searching, but I flat don't believe you have never posted pictures and commented on the look/effect of a given LSP.



This is all coming from an honest observer. I would have said nothing, as we ALL post LSP-applied pictures. However, to act as though you are above such a post is what caught my attention.
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To say that you have never posted your pics to show off an LSP is untrue
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I have NEVER posted pics to show off an LSP... I have posted pictures that have shown a culimative effect of the prep work, LSP (or LSP process), and decent photography. Even on my P21s 100% thread, I was clear to comment that while the cars in the pictures had P21s, the prep work was more important.



dont have time here at work to go searching, but I flat don't believe you have never posted pictures and commented on the look/effect of a given LSP.
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I have abosolutely COMMENTED on the look of LSP's with in photos. I might say that this one was clear, or this one looked glossier, etc... The reason I would comment is because I don't think pictures do the talking and need to be complimented with comments.



A lot of LSP's look the same to me frankly....



That said, everyone on Autopia knows prep work is the basis for an excellent LSP appearance, so saying "its in the prep" is slightly redundant on Autopia
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I don't know if I agree with you on how redundant it is based on some of the "wow that looks great, I'm going to buy that" posts on this thread. A lot of people do buy LSPs based on pictures (hence wax companies have shiny pictures) so nothing wrong with that, but the flip side is that pictures don't tell the whole truth. They tell the camera's sensors truth if you will.
 
In the Lambo thread, I felt that the Danase' Wet Glaze added more to the look then Super Natural. I believe the only comment I made was that it "produced a 2000 dollar shine) or something like that, which is obviously a tongue-in-cheek reference.



Super Natural is great product, compared to 2000 dollar waxes that are cheaper to make and use a lot of silicone it is a great value. Compared to really good OTC products (M26, Duragloss) it isn't a great value. It is all realitve and that is the truth.
 
TH0001 said:
I have NEVER posted pics to show off an LSP... I have posted pictures that have shown a culimative effect of the prep work, LSP (or LSP process), and decent photography. Even on my P21s 100% thread, I was clear to comment that while the cars in the pictures had P21s, the prep work was more important.
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My comment was too direct. I meant to say "posted pictures inculding the LSP". All of which highlight both the LSP and the prep work behind it. From that, undoubtedly, people are purchasing said LSP and likely not the necessary polishes and hard work underneath it. That is not your fault. The entire point of my initial post was to highlight the fact you too post pics of your work including the LSP kowing full well people will be "judging them through pictures".



I have abosolutely COMMENTED on the look of LSP's with in photos. I might say that this one was clear, or this one looked glossier, etc... The reason I would comment is because I don't think pictures do the talking and need to be complimented with comments.
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As have many on here. No harm in it, as pictures can be deceiving. However saying nothing can be garnered from a picture of a black or red car wearing a certain LSP isn't true either. Yes, while angle can manipulate a certain effect or glow, there are still certain benefits of individual LSPs as depicted by a picture.



A lot of LSP's look the same to me frankly....
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To me as well and the reason I have never spent more than the cost of Souveran on an LSP.



I don't know if I agree with you on how redundant it is based on some of the "wow that looks great, I'm going to buy that" posts on this thread.
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I said that, as a whole, Autopians understand it's prep work that creates the canvas on which the LSP can shine. Someone who says "Oh, that looks great, Im buying that next" in this thread knows that a given look was achieved with prep AND the stated LSP.



They tell the camera's sensors truth if you will.
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No argument here. Advertising pics aren't the same as those pics of this thread in which someone is showing their internet buddies their hard work and the finished product of an LSP which they aren't selling nor making a profit off of using (generally speaking as shills are everywhere).



Im trying to keep up with your edits, but failing. ;)
 
TH0001 said:
It is all realitve and that is the truth.
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This is the "grain of salt" with which people need to read this thread.



However, given all of the comments and different scenarios, I think it would be safe to call a prodcut like DWG "an excellent product capable of some serious wetness". Its been tested across a number of paint finishes, by a number of users, at a variety of competency levels and always seems to look great and be recommended by the end user. Point being: a plethora of positive reviews and varying pictures (in this thread) are justification enough to make a purchase, atleast in my eyes.
 
RogueM3 said:
My comment was too direct. I meant to say "posted pictures inculding the LSP". All of which highlight both the LSP and the prep work behind it. From that, undoubtedly, people are purchasing said LSP and likely not the necessary polishes and hard work underneath it. That is not your fault. The entire point of my initial post was to highlight the fact you too post pics of your work including the LSP kowing full well people will be "judging them through pictures".





As have many on here. No harm in it, as pictures can be deceiving. However saying nothing can be garnered from a picture of a black or red car wearing a certain LSP isn't true either. Yes, while angle can manipulate a certain effect or glow, there are still certain benefits of individual LSPs as depicted by a picture.
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I haven't seen any benefits that LSP has added/subracted, that I cannot manipulate with my shutter speed, lighting, etc... I guess if we took two identical cars and tried to photograph them with different LSPs, their 'might' be a difference (certaintely not depth though).



To me as well and the reason I have never spent more than the cost of Souveran on an LSP.
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Would you buy it again?



I said that, as a whole, Autopians understand it's prep work that creates the canvas on which the LSP can shine. Someone who says "Oh, that looks great, Im buying that next" in this thread knows that a given look was achieved with prep AND the stated LSP.
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IMO, they would be better off buying the camera that took the picture then the LSP ;)





No argument here. Advertising pics aren't the same as those pics of this thread in which someone is showing their internet buddies their hard work and the finished product of an LSP which they aren't selling nor making a profit off of using (generally speaking as shills are everywhere).



Im trying to keep up with your edits, but failing. ;)
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I know what you are saying, but pictures lie. When I look at a click and brag I personally look for the correction. Everything else (and even the correction) is easily manipulated.
 
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