Wet Ice over fire combo for winter

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pgp

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I received the BF wet ice combo today. The gloss enhancing polish should arrive in the next few days. Does anyone suggest two coats of the sealer a day/week apart before the wax top coat and should I wait until winter is closer to put on the wax or not do it all until spring? I think the wax will give me another few months of protection. Any suggestions welcome, my first time using BF. Thanks
 
IMO, it depends on how severe the winters are where you live. I've done two cars with the GEP/ Fire over Ice combo this year and while the results are great, I don't see enough longevity there to get me through a winter in PA where I live. My personal preference is a cocktail of DG, Collinite and FK. If you're stuck on BF (and I can't blame you for that), make your final pass in late fall with Collinite, either 845,476 or 915 and you won't be disappointed in February.

Bill
 
Billy Jack, I live in SE Pa. with lots of salt on the roads. Probably not much different than your winters. I did buy it already so I am going with it:

Gearhead, I just may be over thinking it. I never used it before so I don't know how it will go on or remove.

thanks
 
Yes, put either or both on now, and do it again as late in the year as possible before the weather turns bad.
BF sealant is so easy to use that you will probably laugh the first time you use it. You'll get many uses out of that bottle, so go ahead and start monkeying with it. The sooner you do, the sooner you'll find out about its longevity.
 
It going to rain the next 5 days !

Can this sealant be applied over the wax if I did both now and wanted to do more in a few weeks or so ? Usually that's not the case right?
 
Yep, you can apply the sealant on top of the wax. Todd wrote a "detailing myth article" and mentioned how you can apply a sealant on top of a wax. I'd post a link if I wasn't posting from my cell phone. but worst case scenario it won't last as long as if it were applied to clean paint.

pgp said:
Gearhead, I just may be over thinking it. I never used it before so I don't know how it will go on or remove.

thanks
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Someones in for a surprise! :) It's always fun to see someones reaction when they wipe away BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection.
 
Vega@Autopia said:
Yep, you can apply the sealant on top of the wax. Todd wrote a "detailing myth article" and mentioned how you can apply a sealant on top of a wax. I'd post a link if I wasn't posting from my cell phone. but worst case scenario it won't last as long as if it were applied to clean paint.



Someones in for a surprise! :) It's always fun to see someones reaction when they wipe away BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection.
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I knew with this product line you can put sealant over wax but I was actually thinking the OP was asking about 2 coats of sealant prior to wax. Heck, what do I know? I just put 2 coats of sealant over 2 coats of coating. I applied the coating 10 days apart. I think that pretty much stretches most of standard schools of thought. It looks great, BlackFire products work well together.
 
After years and years of experimenting, I'm not convinced that best wax/sealant results are achieved only on bare, "clean" paint. I know that goes against conventional wisdom, but its not been my experience.
 
silverfox said:
After years and years of experimenting, I'm not convinced that best wax/sealant results are achieved only on bare, "clean" paint. I know that goes against conventional wisdom, but its not been my experience.
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My experiences, and thus my opinion, are the same as yours.

I guess that "!YMMV!" applies and I don't really care if others want to do things differently, but once you've spent a few decades doing this stuff you can build up a decent knowledge base regarding what works for you vs. what doesn't. And at that point...well, sometimes the conventional wisdom that "everybody knows!" doesn't always match your experiences ;) Gotta go with first-hand experience IMO, which can certainly vary from one person to the next.
 
Gearhead, you are correct ..."but I was actually thinking the OP was asking about 2 coats of sealant prior to wax" and then EXP detail suggested use one or both and do it again. To me that would be applying wax over a sealant which I thought was a bad idea in most cases. When the rain stops next week ? I will give it a try. I don't want to apply it too late(4pm) and have issues with dew overnight
 
I did the front clip of the car today after work. I put on the Gloss enhancing polish and let it dry a little. I buffed it off and applied the WD All Finish Paint Protectant. It went on very easy and came off nicely too. I did get some streaks, I am hoping they will go away as it drys. As usual I got the "looks good", "do mine next" free of course.
After it's done I will try to get some pics.
 
I'll will give you my opinion on this combo, because I have used it before.

Honestly, I wouldn't waste your time with multiple coats. If you do it correctly, you only need a single coat - waste of time and product. This is maybe the best looking LSP in history...

But... It wouldn't be what I'd use for winter. I'm in SE PA and I find very few LSPs will stand up to the salt slush or whatever they put on the roads up here when it snows.

It's kind of funny. It snows in at least half the country, but nobody sells an LSP with claims that its resistant to road salt. Sure, they sell coatings that claim resistance to this pH, lighter strikes, etc... But, IMHO road salt will deteriorate an LSP more than any APC.

So if you want something that is really tough - I could give you some suggestions.
 
I saw a few good reviews on it, so I picked it up. They might have been from Fla. I am always open to suggestions. Thanks
 
The BF AFPP does have a signature look, and while it wasn't right for me on Audi silver I can sure understand somebody else thinking it looks perfect on certain paints. But yeah...very short-lived. Funny that it streaked, never did that for me.

Swanicyouth- I can say from years of first-hand experience that the roadsalt used in my area has little effect on my FK1000P. I didn't even bother redoing the Tahoe after last winter, let it go until well into spring and nobody but me could've noticed any drop-off. But YMMV sure applies what with all the different "salts" being used these days....Magnesium Chloride somehow comes to mind.
 
Accumulator- I am putting it on a Ruby Red Ford. It does look very nice when clean/waxed. I feel it may last as long as the other things I have tried. (always trying something new) The streaks might have been the Gloss enhancing polish I used. I may not have let it haze enough or too much? I was doing another panel as one dried back and forth. It was my first time using BF products.
 
pgp said:
I saw a few good reviews on it, so I picked it up. They might have been from Fla. I am always open to suggestions. Thanks
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The best thing I have found for the winter in a tin is Pinnacle Synergy. The BF stuff is more show car stuff, but the BFWD sealant is quite tough. NaviWax Ultimate is #2, but it's not really available in the USA. Collinite 915 and Bilt Hamber Finis (not easy to get in the USA IIR) are tied for #3.

Anyway, Accum. likes the FK stuff. I've never used it. If it was me, I'd prolly just skip the wax and apply two coats of the sealant. It's my opinion that layering a wax over a sealant doesn't nothing for the longevity of the LSP - and may actually decrease it.

Waxes contain a decent amount of solvent of some sort. All regular LSPs will be removed with solvents. So, until someone can explain to me how rubbing a solvent rich product on top of a cured sealant will somehow prolong the life of the sealant - I'd stick with just one product if longevity is your goal.
 
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