Wax removal and ONR

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cptzippy

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I've been using ONR for a while now but have a new question. In the past when it has been time to strip old wax, I've done a full two bucket wash with P21S Total Auto wash. Is there a better way to do it?



I've thought about doing an ONR wash then spray the P21S on each panel and hit it with ONR again. What do y'all think?



TIA,

Tony



BTW, not sure what wax/lsp (if any) will be on the car since it will be new to me.
 
Devilsown said:
I would wash your car as normal rinse dry (you can use total auto wash if you want) then dry it off and then use 50/50 mix of water and isopropyl alcohol works wonders. I use 91% isopropyl alcohol and distiled water. David B told me about the 50/50 mix and it worked great for me and thats what I use now. http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-de...4478-no-low-abrisive-wax-sealant-remover.html
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IPA is great for real waxes and oily polishes. It doesn't do anything to modern sealants. But like Scott said, if you are polishing, who cares.
 
Scottwax said:
If you are going to polish the car, no point in removing whatever is on the car.
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iver always heard the complete opposite. how is it that you can easily polish a car when it has layers or wax or sealers on it? you have to get down to the bare paint....i thought? not saying you are wrong.....just explain that to me? if you are going to polish a car, you want to remove all fillers and sealants so you can see what youre working with.
 
And I'm really hoping not to have to polish. I have all the tools (PC, polishes, how to's) but still not confindent in my ability. I looked closely at the cars at the dealership and they all looked very good so I'm crossing my fingers there aren't any DISO :)
 
Scottwax said:
If you are going to polish the car, no point in removing whatever is on the car.
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UNLESS you have something really significant on there. I've only had serious issues when trying to polish through layered KSG, but I've had some minor ones when polishing through Collinite.



the enforcer said:
how is it that you can easily polish a car when it has layers or wax or sealers on it? you have to get down to the bare paint....i thought? not saying you are wrong.....just explain that to me?
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The same way abrasives cut through paint (thus leveling the clearcoat), they'll cut right through your LSP. The issues come into play when the LSP is to healthy that the polisher's pad wants to glide across (as opposed to working the polish normally) as if "slipping" on the slippery wax and/or when the LSP getting cut off clogs up the pad.



Again, this usually isn't much of an issue and after the polisher's first pass across the panel it's polished away all the LSP.



captzippy said:
...I'm really hoping not to have to polish.
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Then do the IPA, or a really strong Dawn wash (save your flames folks, it won't hurt anything), or buy a gallon of the oh-so-good Hi-Temp PrepWash. But use any of these *after* a nice safe conventional wash with a high-lubricity shampoo.
 
The Enforcer said:
iver always heard the complete opposite. how is it that you can easily polish a car when it has layers or wax or sealers on it? you have to get down to the bare paint....i thought? not saying you are wrong.....just explain that to me? if you are going to polish a car, you want to remove all fillers and sealants so you can see what youre working with.
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Are you kidding? If polishing will remove a bit of the clear coat, do you really think a wax or sealant can stand up to it?
 
I'll have to see about the condition when it gets here in a couple of days. Even if it needs a little correction, would it be wise to wait until after a Kansas winter to do it?
 
cptzippy said:
I'll have to see about the condition when it gets here in a couple of days. Even if it needs a little correction, would it be wise to wait until after a Kansas winter to do it?
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As long as it is minor, I'd wait. If it needs a lot, get it out of the way now.
 
Scottwax said:
Are you kidding? If polishing will remove a bit of the clear coat, do you really think a wax or sealant can stand up to it?
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no, why would i post something only to be kidding. sorry....it was just something that was said to me by a very VERY respected and knowledgable person on here via phone this week. i was having trouble buffing a car......and he mentioned that it is probably from the fact that i clayed the car with ONR....and ONR leaves a barrier on the car, similar to that of a sealer....the pad and polish just wasnt cutting the paint any.



no need to post a response in a smartass way....i dont care of you have over 20,000 posts like yourself, or barely 100 like me. we are all here to learn, which i have a lot to do. you couldve said that alot differently, without that smart tone, and got the same message across to me. you bein smart like that, causes other people such as legacy99 to be a smartass as well.



all im saying is......when you polish or correct a car, ive always heard it was best to remove ALL wax and sealers from the paint, since most of them contain fillers that will not allow you to see the true condition of the paint you are working on.
 
The Enforcer said:
no, why would i post something only to be kidding. sorry....it was just something that was said to me by a very VERY respected and knowledgable person on here via phone this week. i was having trouble buffing a car......and he mentioned that it is probably from the fact that i clayed the car with ONR....and ONR leaves a barrier on the car, similar to that of a sealer....the pad and polish just wasnt cutting the paint any.



no need to post a response in a smartass way....i dont care of you have over 20,000 posts like yourself, or barely 100 like me. we are all here to learn, which i have a lot to do. you couldve said that alot differently, without that smart tone, and got the same message across to me. you bein smart like that, causes other people such as legacy99 to be a smartass as well.



all im saying is......when you polish or correct a car, ive always heard it was best to remove ALL wax and sealers from the paint, since most of them contain fillers that will not allow you to see the true condition of the paint you are working on.
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Use some common sense please. Look at is this way. Paint is harder than any wax or sealant out there and if polishing removes defects from paint (by removing a whisper thin layer of paint), waxes and sealants don't stand a chance. The only issue you may have is a heavy paste wax or a sealant may momentarily clog your pads if it was very recently applied (like Accumulator mentioned, Klasse SG).



Whoever told you that ONR makes buffing a car difficult apparently has never used it (or sells a product ONR competes against). I wash 99.5% of the cars I detail with ONR and have NEVER had an issue trying to buff it after whether I used a rotary or a RO polsher.



There aren't any waxes or sealants that have enough fillers to hide much, if anything. Go ahead and strip the paint down if you wish, but odds are washing and claying will give you a pretty good indication of your starting point. Just trying to save people time. Everyone in the beginning wants to do eleventy billion step details and end up getting frustrated when a detail takes up a whole weekend on a car that really didn't need more than a half day worth of work. Keep it simple. Wash, clay, polish, protect.
 
Scottwax said:
Keep it simple. Wash, clay, polish, protect.
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Plain speaking and as usual Scott is exactly right but some just love to complicate even the simplest of tasks :chuckle:
 
dervdave said:
Plain speaking and as usual Scott is exactly right but some just love to complicate even the simplest of tasks :chuckle:
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and as usual, some people love to nut swing and join the bandwagon of being a smartass. whatever happened to folks being a little more polite on here instead of tryin to make an amatuer, someone who is here to learn, feel like an idiot.
 
The Enforcer- No need to feel like an idiot, IMO your Qs were reasonable, especially given all the, uhm...."expert opinions" (scare-quotes intentional) floating around the internet. Some of those supposed experts make stuff sound really complicated/mysterious just to feed their self-importance.



Those of us who know scottwax IRL can tell ya that he's really not a smart@$$ at all, but rather a nice guy who just might've come across wrong on this thread..fine line between bluntness and inconsideration I suppose. Anyhow...back to the subject at hand:



FWIW, whatever [stuff] Hendrick Lexus applied to my Yukon sure *did* hide a lot and it was a *bear* to get off. So some LSPs really can cause issues, but fortunately those are few and far between.



IF you end up having a problem, you'll realize it quickly enough (which is why it's good to have stuff like PrepWash/IPA/whatever on hand). But this really is a case where you can confidently, and realistically, hope for the best.



I'm not really on the ONR bandwagon, but IME it does *NOT* leave enough of anything behind to cause issues, even if you're only using something *super* gentle. Even an AIO will work fine after ONR. I just used it in this way (for a mid-detail clean up) and it absolutely did *not* cause any issues at all.
 
Accumulator, the Lexus dealer I'm getting my car from is a Hendrick dealer. Maybe I should ask them what they are using on it. I found out today they get the car tomorrow night and will spend most of the day Wednesday 'working on it'.



ETA: Just sent'em an email :think:
 
cptzippy said:
Accumulator, the Lexus dealer I'm getting my car from is a Hendrick dealer. Maybe I should ask them what they are using on it. I found out today they get the car tomorrow night and will spend most of the day Wednesday 'working on it'.



ETA: Just sent'em an email :think:
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Don't ask them what they are using on it, tell them to DO NOTHING TO IT!!!!!



Never, ever let a dealer do anything beyond removing the plastic from the car. Call them IMMEDIATELY and tell them you want ZERO dealer prep.
 
Scottwax said:
Don't ask them what they are using on it, tell them to DO NOTHING TO IT!!!!!



Never, ever let a dealer do anything beyond removing the plastic from the car. Call them IMMEDIATELY and tell them you want ZERO dealer prep.
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Agree 100%!
 
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