wasted money. rant

You can find this humorous duke. Personally I think many people have made some very good points on this thread. you would be surprised by how many professional companies do that and make a lot of money!
 
bufferbarry said:
You can find this humorous duke. Personally I think many people have made some very good points on this thread. you would be surprised by how many professional companies do that and make a lot of money!
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I know a couple of companies that frequent this forum that do that almost exclusively
 
Absolutely! I can guarantee there are many that do exactly that. Logically, they also make them all smell different and different colors. So we can sit here and go product Y is different from X because one is pink and smells like flowers and one is green and smells like limes.
 
duke4ever said:
Absolutely! I can guarantee there are many that do exactly that. Logically, they also make them all smell different and different colors. So we can sit here and go product Y is different from X because one is pink and smells like flowers and one is green and smells like limes.
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I agree with ya there duke that is for sure
 
now everything is right off there page. now your paying 17.95 plus tax and shipping for a bottle of citrus based degreaser? lol now this is a spray bottle full. now you figure when its all said and done your looking at $25.00 for a total sale. now someone recomended purprle power which is availble for 13.00 at you local advance auto parts for 2.5 gallons. now lhere is how learning how to do this first off your ganna have to dilute this stuff 50/50 right off the start beacuse of how strong it can be. so now you have 5 gallons for $13.00 dollars. thats less then $3 dollars a gallon. now once you break it down 50/50 again which will make a 4 to 1 bottle for tires and door jambs. and 10 to one for interior use like carpets vinyl and other stuff. now you eliminated a lot of chemicals. in your arsenal, and i can be certain that your cost will be cheaper.



im not trying to bash on detailers domain there were just an example company with that x product. im just trying to show you guys how to save on some cash and not fall into some marketing hype. now this is just my 2 cents.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH

for saving my time mostly money and showing me (extremely new to this) that high dollar stuff does not mean better quality i.e. worth it

:thx



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Some food for thought. I think part of the problem here with so many different cleaners for everything is that; materials used in cars are so poorly understood that people see various products marketed for various purposes and think they need them. In your house if you have something plastic to clean you know you can grab your household APC and use it. There's nothing in the stores marketed as "toy plastic cleaner" "cabinet plastic handle cleaner" etc... However in your car there always some material that think feels funny and aren't so sure what it is, especially these new composites etc... This makes you think "how can you clean that" because no 1 ever mentioned "you clean it just like plastic" it has no special properties that require only a very special cleaner. But no 1 makes you aware of these things. Then they assume that nothing in the store that isn't labeled SPECIFICALLY for your car-dash-left-stick must not be good to use on it.



Just a rant but I think it's heading in the direction explaining the marketing exploitation goes on here.
 
Sorry for the late reply - CG - I like their car wash - the citrus wash and the wash & gloss, also like DG car wash too!

Megs Detailer line is pretty good too, just tried the leather cleaner/conditioner and was fairly impressed, now if the leather is REALLY dirty - woolite 8:1 and then Megs.
 
duke4ever said:
Some food for thought. I think part of the problem here with so many different cleaners for everything is that; materials used in cars are so poorly understood that people see various products marketed for various purposes and think they need them. In your house if you have something plastic to clean you know you can grab your household APC and use it. There's nothing in the stores marketed as "toy plastic cleaner" "cabinet plastic handle cleaner" etc... However in your car there always some material that think feels funny and aren't so sure what it is, especially these new composites etc.
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Household cleaners are usually formulated to be very strong (with surfactants) because they will be used on much filthier surfaces than encountered in a typical car.



Something like Formula 409/Fantastik will easily strip wax, and leach plasticizers out of soft rubbers. Most housesold surfaces that will be cleaned with houshold cleaners (Formica,appliance enamel etc) are not softened with plasticisers.



This makes you think "how can you clean that" because no 1 ever mentioned "you clean it just like plastic" it has no special properties that require only a very special cleaner. But no 1 makes you aware of these things. Then they assume that nothing in the store that isn't labeled SPECIFICALLY for your car-dash-left-stick must not be good to use on it.
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If in doubt I use glass cleaner, or interior protectant.
 
GoudyL said:
Household cleaners are usually formulated to be very strong (with surfactants) because they will be used on much filthier surfaces than encountered in a typical car.



Something like Formula 409/Fantastik will easily strip wax, and leach plasticizers out of soft rubbers. Most housesold surfaces that will be cleaned with houshold cleaners (Formica,appliance enamel etc) are not softened with plasticisers.







If in doubt I use glass cleaner, or interior protectant.
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Thanks! I was having a hard time conveying the difference between "hard" and "soft" so I didn't write it in my post, I couldn't think of a way to articulate it :confused:.
 
Right said BufferBarry, I use one degreaser for all undercarriage/enginebay/doorjams etc & the only difference's i have is the dilution with each. I end up with the same great result time & time again. But all these products did get me questioning whether im doing the right thing, So i pulled out my Tricorder & tested the Ph levels of the wheelwell after a degrease/wash. Guess what? The product seems to be functioning well within it's precified parametres!! :2thumbs:
 
Ok, so what would you use with a car wash soap to help strip old LSP off? I'm leary of using Simple Green for it, just cause of all the rumors and such you hear. I've used it for the last year diluted 3:1 for my wheels and wheel wells (have destroyed 5 sprays though with it), and 10:1 for interior cleaning on the grandfathers farm trucks, and 30:1 to for interior on the DD's. In looking at my gallon it recommends 30:1 but I'm not sure I'd want to make that jump yet. I do have a detail I need to strip the LSP and it's Single Stage paint, would it hurt it?



Also would you mix it with your car wash soap for a foam gun, if so what amounts would you add to say a Gilmour FQ75 that's adjustable.



As with others I've been using ONR for a while for lots of things, wash, QD, Clay Lube, jambs, deck lids, under the bonnet.



I do have one more question too in regards to APC's. What would you suggest would be comparable to Amazing Roll Off? I love the stuff for cleaning old dressings off of tires and wheel wells.



And kudo's on the thread, very provocative and informative!
 
bufferbarry said:
lmao! thanks grungy. gee's jake now your calling me a ramblin lunatic. lmao im serious ine person uses x product and says its good the whole forum uses it. maybe we should have a thread on what truthfully to buy without getting ripped off! lmao
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yea a thread like that is sorely needed, but it would be SQUASHED in a heartbeat. Taken out back and dealt with.



'Cause of the :rules:
 
Does anyone use APCs to strip wax? Wouldnt megs apc+ diluted at a 10:1ish ratio work well at removing lsps? Or is that a bad idea...
 
Very good points across the board here.



Since we're stealing MF towels from the kitchen section or our wives/girlfriends, I would suggest Scrubbing Bubbles for tires and Sprayway for glass. Both produce great results!



Bayes stainless steel cleaner is also a good product on wheels. It SEEMS to leave a nice protective coating? I have only used this on a clean wheel. More testing to follow.



HMM... how else can we save money with products of diverse applications?
 
bufferbarry said:
its not that polished and wax what it is is that i see so many people on here using on thing for tires and one thing for wheel wells and something different for jams and something different for in teriors and so on. the truth is properly diluting degreaser will do everything practiclly, next i see people buying these crazy 200- 500 dollars waxes yet its not the wax its whats underneath it and so on. i think we are victems to some serious marketing.
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So true.



Companies have profited greatly from the ignorance of enthusiasts.
 
hi. i am new here. this is my first post.



the topic and the replies (went through all 10 pages) was too near to my heart for me not to reply.



being a newbie to detailing, i lay my hands and wallet on any product that says it can do this or that... i guess you could say i am the ideal sucker for snakeskin oil...



but if i had just given a little restraint and invested on the net a bit more, researching about this devil of a hobby (if it can be called that); i would have saved money and time in looking and getting stuff.



great thread and hope it doesnt get deleted or removed.
 
So I tried some Simple Green with my DP Extreme Foam wash in a Foam Gun. Used 2 oz of the soap, and only a teaspoon of the Simple Green. It definitely did the trick to remove old wax, but it does require a a follow up of a AIO or a Polish to remove some of the streaking that it induces, even after flooding the the car clean (don't worry did it to my own, no customers or family), it still had a bit of streaking, but nothing that KAIO couldn't handle.
 
jackson said:
hi. i am new here. this is my first post.



the topic and the replies (went through all 10 pages) was too near to my heart for me not to reply.



being a newbie to detailing, i lay my hands and wallet on any product that says it can do this or that... i guess you could say i am the ideal sucker for snakeskin oil...



but if i had just given a little restraint and invested on the net a bit more, researching about this devil of a hobby (if it can be called that); i would have saved money and time in looking and getting stuff.



great thread and hope it doesnt get deleted or removed.
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That's OK, man.. that's ok.. There's a lot of us around here that do that, too. Or at least, that's what I *hear*. ;)
 
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