Ronkh
Wax Waster
I was there form late 79 to 82
Wake Up...DC
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I was there form late 79 to 82
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
I happened to follow this discussion because Senator Orin Hatch is from my home state. He's been around DC a long while now (which I admit can be a problem in and of itself). He's also been an astronaut (the oldest I believe) on the space shuttle and yes he's quite conservative. That said, I believe him to be a man of integrity. I respect much of what he has said in the past. I'm not a big Glen Beck follower but this is interesting discussion non the less. Might be worth a look. I admit I would really like to see Obama make a positive difference and I believe he will bring CHANGE but much of what I have seen and heard to this point I don't consider to necessarily be positive. I think I'm with Sheila here, the word Socialism when used in context with the United States scares the p### out of me.
Glenn Beck - Interviews - Glenn Beck with Sen. Hatch: 'Constitution is hanging by a thread'
Glenn Beck - Interviews - Glenn Beck with Sen. Hatch: 'Constitution is hanging by a thread'
Scott P
New member
It looks like Senator Orin Hatch is losing his memory. Just over three years ago, he was looking to abolish the judicial filibuster via the "nuclear option".
They announced this deal on the eve of a Senate vote that would have eliminated the judicial filibuster altogether. Four times during the 108th Congress, the Senate failed to invoke cloture, or end debate, on the appeals court nomination of Priscilla Owen. Had that happened again on May 24, 2005, Frist would have sought a ruling from the presiding officer that, after sufficient debate, the Senate should vote on a judicial nomination. I would have joined a majority of my fellow senators in voting to affirm that ruling, re-establishing Senate tradition and making the judicial filibuster a thing of the past.
Those are his words. Here are the rest of his comments. It's even a conservative site, so the right wingers can't claim bias.
Does this mean that he will be in favor of an "up or down" of Obama's judicial nominees? The Republicans have set records for filibusters since they lost control in 2006. But, when they are in power, they want to abolish them? Am I the only one that see hypocrisy in that?
They announced this deal on the eve of a Senate vote that would have eliminated the judicial filibuster altogether. Four times during the 108th Congress, the Senate failed to invoke cloture, or end debate, on the appeals court nomination of Priscilla Owen. Had that happened again on May 24, 2005, Frist would have sought a ruling from the presiding officer that, after sufficient debate, the Senate should vote on a judicial nomination. I would have joined a majority of my fellow senators in voting to affirm that ruling, re-establishing Senate tradition and making the judicial filibuster a thing of the past.
Those are his words. Here are the rest of his comments. It's even a conservative site, so the right wingers can't claim bias.
Does this mean that he will be in favor of an "up or down" of Obama's judicial nominees? The Republicans have set records for filibusters since they lost control in 2006. But, when they are in power, they want to abolish them? Am I the only one that see hypocrisy in that?
Troy@Protekt
a.k.a. Troy@DetailCity
I can appreciate you wanting me to back up my views. I am not one who likes to debate issues and I do not want to go find studies to back up what I see with my own eyes. If someone else wants to pick up the ball here and find some study then be my guest.
:cheers:
Poorboy
Founder Poorboy's World
I say we pick this thread up in 3 years and see what we got
assout: :inspector: assout::whaasup:
Ronkh
Wax Waster
I say we pick this thread up in 3 years and see what we got
3 years might be optomistic. He could do great damage or great things in a year and two years.
Any bets?
Beemerboy
Just One More Coat
Ronkh
Wax Waster
That's very optomistic to bet on a person with absolutely no track record.
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
It did not take Bush that long....
jaybs02
New member
Funny how we are having this discussion now, instead of before the election ... :lol:
Poorboy
Founder Poorboy's World
too bad we didn't before people started being nominated to run for office
Sheila@detailcity
My husband is always right!
1. Are you actually going to try to defend this abortion procedure?? Do I really need to go into details about this? I can't even express how I feel about this. I am grieved beyond belief that we could allow such a practice to go on.
2. Palin's experience is still heads above Obama's. Even if it is just a small...ummm. state.:hmmm:
3. Didn't know that about McCain. I wasn't thrilled about him winning the Primary. But I didn't get fired up until after he picked Palin for VP. As far as the jewish thing...Rev Wright his Pastor for 20 years? Farakan?? Have you ever heard what these gentlemen have to say about the Jewish State?
4. I said I could get into a depression over this.
assout:5. Yes, a healthy debate is fun.:wall
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
Scott, my point wasn't to discuss where Orin Hatch sits on a particular issue, the points he brought up was more what I thought worthy of consideration. I respect him but don't care if it is him or someone far on the left side discussing these ideas. Is this brain fodder he brings up something that looms on the horizon? You seem quick to dismiss the messenger but how about the message?
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
I do disagree on Palin vs Obama.
I think Obama's team managed a much better campaign than McCain. McCain was behaving like McCain. He was always contrary in an organization (Navy, Congress, the campaign) that makes him an interesting personality but not necessarily a good leader. A leader's success is based upon the people they choose who surround themselves and how they manage them.
Palin clearly showed her inexperience and could not even approach doing what Obama is doing now. If Palin would take Ted Stevens' seat in the Senate, serve a few years, understand the system, etc, she may be a credible candidate but she needs to "grow up" and not look like she is a Wasilla Hilbilly. She could not handle an easy interview with Katie Couric but neither could GWB. He really embarrassed this country but not being able to speak our own language.
I think Obama's team managed a much better campaign than McCain. McCain was behaving like McCain. He was always contrary in an organization (Navy, Congress, the campaign) that makes him an interesting personality but not necessarily a good leader. A leader's success is based upon the people they choose who surround themselves and how they manage them.
Palin clearly showed her inexperience and could not even approach doing what Obama is doing now. If Palin would take Ted Stevens' seat in the Senate, serve a few years, understand the system, etc, she may be a credible candidate but she needs to "grow up" and not look like she is a Wasilla Hilbilly. She could not handle an easy interview with Katie Couric but neither could GWB. He really embarrassed this country but not being able to speak our own language.
Scott P
New member
1. Are you actually going to try to defend this abortion procedure?? Do I really need to go into details about this? I can't even express how I feel about this. I am grieved beyond belief that we could allow such a practice to go on.
2. Palin's experience is still heads above Obama's. Even if it is just a small...ummm. state.:hmmm:
3. Didn't know that about McCain. I wasn't thrilled about him winning the Primary. But I didn't get fired up until after he picked Palin for VP. As far as the jewish thing...Rev Wright his Pastor for 20 years? Farakan?? Have you ever heard what these gentlemen have to say about the Jewish State?
4. I said I could get into a depression over this.
5. Yes, a healthy debate is fun.:wall
1. Yes, I do support this procedure in situation similar to the one I described. I do not support sacrificing someone's wife or mother for a fetus that will not live. It is essentially allowing the woman to die for someone else's religious principals. The procedure is disgusting, but it serves a purpose. I am not disagreeing with that, but it is needed sometimes. I guess we are looking at different "facts" on when this procedure is used.
2. I really don't think her little experience outweighed her complete lack of even a basic understanding of national and international issues, basic government and heck, even geography. The link is to the Huffington post, the the video itself is Fox News with Bill O'Reilly.
3. Have you read about Palin's religious leader, Thomas Muthee? He accused a woman of witchcraft in an African village, threatened her to convert or else. Eventually, Muthee got the police to bust into her house and haul her off to jail. She eventually had to flee her home because of this man. As with McCain, people in glass houses should not throw stones.
4. I think you can stay out of depression, at least I hope you can.
5. Debates are fun, because you can learn both sides of the story.
Scott P
New member
The message is what I am talking about. Hatch and Beck are worried that the Republicans will not have the ability to filibuster. This is the same power they wanted to abolish just over three years ago.
They are simply fear-mongering in saying that we are going to straight socialism. Don't you think that the American people would still object to such radical policies. Beck's comment about the "benevolent dictator" is absurd in its own right. Then he goes right to benevolent fascism. Really? Fascism?
They say the Constitution is "hanging by a thread", but don't actually say what parts of the constitution.
I've read that interview a few times. Each time I read it, it gets crazier and crazier. Please tell me what portions of the Constitution will be eliminated by Obama.
JaredPointer
COME AT ME BRO
That's an unbiased source, for sure..... :huh:
I am staying out of this for the most part, but the Huffington post? C'mon....
I wasn't thrilled with either of the two running from the two "parties", and didn't vote for either one of them.
I think the argument about Palin's lack of experience can be said for Obama as well. In actuality, she has probably had more responsibility in her positions than he has.
After having a child of my own, I cannot even begin to understand why or how anyone can support abortion - especially partial birth abortion. And before anyone gives me the run-down about about saving someone's life over a fetus I would like to see the actual percentage of that practice versus abortion as a means of convenience.
I think our country is in a very precarious situation. It worries me most that people who we would not consider allies in the world forum were so strongly behind Obama. I think it shows that other countries think he is weak and inexperienced. I think it also shows how badly the past administration has handled things.
Finally, I call BS on the "Obama getting elected has brought unity to the US" crap. Let's not forget that 48 or 49 percent of the country's voting populous didn't vote for him. True, it has been that way for the past two elections. I live in the South, where unfortunately there is still strong racial undertones to things - from both sides mind you. Some of the things I have heard said by my graduate school classmates - on both sides mind you - has really chilled my spine.
I'm not a fan of the two party political system, and I really think that "professional politicians" are a large part of our divisional issues. However, the US is still a great place to be. Obama won, and as the President we need to support him. I just wonder if he screws up a few things if the press will be as hard on him as they have been on Bush. It doesn't seem likely to me given the press he has received up to this point.
I digress. I just wanted to throw my two cents in, and hopefully I have done so without stepping on too may toes. I'll try and slide back into the backdrop on this one now. :howdy
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
The wind blows both ways on this issue. Many repubs gloated GWB won the election 2000 by a politically divided supreme court decision. He lost the popular vote yet this was considered as some mandate. He only had like 4 Million votes more votes in 2004 over Kerry. Obama had a much better margin so it is landslide in terms of recent elections.
My view is if they held an election, 40 Mil would vote for the repub and 40 Mill would vote for the dem no matter who they ran (GWB could still get 40 Mil). I consider this sad in some ways since I think the person is important since I cannot agree with either side on every issue.
It is about 20 Million that determine who wins by deciding to vote based upon how they feel at the moment.
Poorboy
Founder Poorboy's World
Like Jared, I'm staying out of it ..ok for the most part..
A couple points ... abortion or partial birth abortion are not wide spread and are mostly last resort options... the word option is the important word here... no one wants to see a life taken away at any stage, but a family and a woman have to have the right to do what is best for them. I personally know no one who has had either or has been put in the position to make that choice. Unfortunately some people do and I'm sure it affects them in emotional and financial ways. With today's economy and social programs, it is very hard to raise a special needs child or to raise one as a single parent or even worse as a single teen parent.
I know how hard it is as both my children have special needs even though not as bad as many including one of my best friends who has a downs child. She's the sweetest kid you'll ever meet as are most downs syndrome kids, but the life they have led for the past 21 years has been tough and she will be with them for the rest of their lives. Fortunately for them they have the resources, family support and stability to give her the best of everything and will make sure she is taken care of should anything happen to them. This is not the case for everyone and our government and health care system is not set up or prepared to deal with unwanted children. On that topic ... look at the state..can't remember right now..in the midwest that is allowing parent to drop off their kids at a hospital and just walk away
WTF is that all about ..it's one thing for new born babies for their safety, but I saw a report that teenagers that parents couldn't control were being dropped off, even one as far as Georgia :hmmm: ....
There are too many variables and personal situations to clump everyone into one yes or no category ..the gray area here too big...
Falling off soap box againassout:
Sheila just a couple things I picked up while reading:
Exit polls from MSNBC, CNN and Fox have shown that President-elect
Barack Obama received 78 percent of the Jewish vote in Tuesday's
presidential election. This is 4% more than John Kerry won in 2004
and 1% less than Al Gore received in 2000.
Obama received 54% of the Catholic vote and 45% of the Protestant
and other Christian vote.
Many people do not realize that Barak Obama's first name is actually a
Hebrew name. Barak is Hebrew for lightning, though the origin of his
name is actually the same as Barukh (blessed).
A couple points ... abortion or partial birth abortion are not wide spread and are mostly last resort options... the word option is the important word here... no one wants to see a life taken away at any stage, but a family and a woman have to have the right to do what is best for them. I personally know no one who has had either or has been put in the position to make that choice. Unfortunately some people do and I'm sure it affects them in emotional and financial ways. With today's economy and social programs, it is very hard to raise a special needs child or to raise one as a single parent or even worse as a single teen parent.
I know how hard it is as both my children have special needs even though not as bad as many including one of my best friends who has a downs child. She's the sweetest kid you'll ever meet as are most downs syndrome kids, but the life they have led for the past 21 years has been tough and she will be with them for the rest of their lives. Fortunately for them they have the resources, family support and stability to give her the best of everything and will make sure she is taken care of should anything happen to them. This is not the case for everyone and our government and health care system is not set up or prepared to deal with unwanted children. On that topic ... look at the state..can't remember right now..in the midwest that is allowing parent to drop off their kids at a hospital and just walk away
WTF is that all about ..it's one thing for new born babies for their safety, but I saw a report that teenagers that parents couldn't control were being dropped off, even one as far as Georgia :hmmm: .... There are too many variables and personal situations to clump everyone into one yes or no category ..the gray area here too big...
Falling off soap box again
assout:Sheila just a couple things I picked up while reading:
Exit polls from MSNBC, CNN and Fox have shown that President-elect
Barack Obama received 78 percent of the Jewish vote in Tuesday's
presidential election. This is 4% more than John Kerry won in 2004
and 1% less than Al Gore received in 2000.
Obama received 54% of the Catholic vote and 45% of the Protestant
and other Christian vote.
Many people do not realize that Barak Obama's first name is actually a
Hebrew name. Barak is Hebrew for lightning, though the origin of his
name is actually the same as Barukh (blessed).