Wake Up...DC

Scott P said:
That is a rather pessimistic view. Obama got in because people liked what they heard. To say that Obama only got in because his supporters were against Bush is naive and insulting.



The term "partial birth abortion" was created to make a very rare procedure sound inflammatory. The facts are that this procedure is done only in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the baby is not viable. A little research will always trounce rhetoric.

Destroying the institute of marriage? How is this? he has already stated opposition to xxx marriage. With a 50% success rate, I never realized that the institute was perfectly healthy. I do disagree with Obama here. I don't feel that the government should impose their religious views to discriminate against a group of people with different beliefs.

What is wrong with his foreign policies? Just because he isn't a bomb/kill/shoot/invade first, talk later kind of guy?



I think the choice of words had more to do with the time of his post than anything else. How did you know that our enemies are glad to see him in? Did you take a survey? The current administration only increased the numbers of our enemies.



Please link me to his comments about his desire to stop showing favor to Israel.



I feel he and the policies had more to do with the current economy than the Republicans will ever admit. Between the massive deficit, a needless war and his policies of deregulation. his administration helped much of this.



This victim mentality has to stop. I thought the Republican were all about personal responsibility. Instead, they run and cry about bias when they are called out on anything.

Palin made herself look bad. She couldn't even get through a fluff interview with Katie Co uric. She was selected because of her Lura right wing views and ideology. She turned out to be woefully uninformed on both national and international issues. Add in her corruption and ethical issues and she was really not the fresh direction they marketed her as.

As far as the movie W goes, I didn't see it, nor do I plan to do so. I think the reaction to it was more of the victim-hood that plagues the right wing.



Plain scared the crap out of me. She was vastly unqualified for the job and the fact that she wanted to make the VP position more powerful scared me.
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I have gather some facts about Partial Birth Abortion if anyone is interested, I would be happy to send that info. Basically, there is no good reason for this procedure. There are many doctors, nurses, etc who say this is actually a very dangerous procedure for the woman. My argument is...why? Many of these babies can thrive outside the womb! I don't understand it and when this was in the spotlight a decade ago, the majority of Americans were in an uproar about it.

Michael Gerson - IBM's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com *Source

"But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat,
the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide."
Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban.
In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act,
which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion.
And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby"
because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life."

As far as xxx Marriage...Biden said 2 weeks ago on the Ellen Degeneres's show (even though he said differently during the VP debate) that they were for xxx marriage and support any effort (in California) to legalize it. I am not saying he is trying to destroy marriage. And I am back away from this.

As far as Palin....I don't get the "no experience " argument. She led a town. She leads a State. And she is a mother of 5 children!!!:bow What executive experience does Obama have?? What laws has he helped write? I have the impression he has spent most of his three years in the Senate working on his plans for a Presidential race.

Obama has several questionable ties (the one's we know of, anyway) but for the sake of time, I will only mention professor Rashid Khalidi, because it answers the Israel question. He is Professor in Chicago (?) who supports Palestine terror and is very anti Israel. Hey, I hope I am wrong about this too. Only time will tell. I will not support anyone who is not pro Israel. Sorry if that offends anyone. We have a heart for Israel in this family. We love the Jewish people and we love the Arabs too. Can we just all get along:surrender

I am very concerned and could easily get into a depression over this election, because I think Obama has Socialistic tendencies (redistribution on wealth) and I wholeheartedly disagree with him on many social issues. All I can say is that I will respect the Office of the Presidency and hope that he will not govern his far left beliefs! Thanks for sharing, Scott. We like an open forum.
 
Shelia...we share in opposite views on Obama...but in two areas we agree...respect for the presidency and the person that the people elected, and an open forum!


Nice to see you post!:D
 
I just want to say thank you to Troy & Sheila for giving us a spot to speak openly. :yourrock

Also thanks to all our great members here who can have a discussion like this one and do it civilly with out it being reduced to name calling and flaming.

:dcrules
 
My post may be pessimistic because it comes from a jaded Bush supporter that had high hopes for his presidency.

I will be honest with you and say that I don't dive into politics like my wife does. I purposely try not to get to wrapped up in it actually because I feel the candidates don't always say what they mean and mean what they say so why bother listening to them. :redface:

So my stands are based largely on a voter's guide that the Christian Coalition puts out and the little I gather from radio talk shows. This is why I let Sheila respond to you Scott. My post was mainly venting my dissapointment.
 
I do want to say something about your comments of Republicans having a "victim mentality".

The main stream media has it out for the Republican party. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. So they are victims. Very little disrespect was shown to Obama or Biden and there was an onslaught of disrespect to both Palin and McCain. Are they capable of bashing the democrats? Yes and they do now and then but it is far from equal.
 
Sheila@detailcity said:
I have gather some facts about Partial Birth Abortion if anyone is interested, I would be happy to send that info. Basically, there is no good reason for this procedure. There are many doctors, nurses, etc who say this is actually a very dangerous procedure for the woman. My argument is...why? Many of these babies can thrive outside the womb! I don't understand it and when this was in the spotlight a decade ago, the majority of Americans were in an uproar about it.

Michael Gerson - IBM's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com *Source

"But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat,
the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide."
Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban.
In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act,
which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion.
And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby"
because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life."
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The D&X procedure (the proper name) is performed very, very rarely. When Obama voted against it, it was because there was no exception for the health of the mother. Personally, I don't think I'd be willing to sacrifice a mother's life for a non-viable baby.

Take hydrocephalus for example. Each year, 1 in 2,000 fetuses develop this condition where the head fills will fluid and can grow to almost twice the size of a human head. The fetus may still be "alive", but won't survive or even achieve consciousness if born. The D&X procedure is the safest way to remove the non-viable fetus without causing harm to the mother.

This is a charged subject and facts are often stretched by both sides to prove a point.

As far as xxx Marriage...Biden said 2 weeks ago on the Ellen Degeneres's show (even though he said differently during the VP debate) that they were for xxx marriage and support any effort (in California) to legalize it. I am not saying he is trying to destroy marriage. And I am back away from this.
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Again, I am not for any law that discriminates against a group of people that carry different beliefs.

As far as Palin....I don't get the "no experience " argument. She led a town. She leads a State. And she is a mother of 5 children!!!:bow What executive experience does Obama have?? What laws has he helped write? I have the impression he has spent most of his three years in the Senate working on his plans for a Presidential race.
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She was the mayor of a town of 9,000 people. That isn't exactly a booming metropolis. She has been a governor of the 47th largest state (population-wise) for less than two years. I really don't see that is a large amount of "executive" experience. Seriously, what goes into running a state with a low population and a large revenue stream from oil rights?

Obama has several questionable ties (the one's we know of, anyway) but for the sake of time, I will only mention professor Rashid Khalidi, because it answers the Israel question. He is Professor in Chicago (?) who supports Palestine terror and is very anti Israel. Hey, I hope I am wrong about this too. Only time will tell. I will not support anyone who is not pro Israel. Sorry if that offends anyone. We have a heart for Israel in this family. We love the Jewish people and we love the Arabs too. Can we just all get along:surrender
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In 1998, McCain led the International Republican Institute and gave almost $500,000 to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies. Obama attended a lunch with him and McCain gave him half a million dollars.

I am very concerned and could easily get into a depression over this election, because I think Obama has Socialistic tendencies (redistribution on wealth) and I wholeheartedly disagree with him on many social issues. All I can say is that I will respect the Office of the Presidency and hope that he will not govern his far left beliefs! Thanks for sharing, Scott. We like an open forum.
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he economy has been stagnant for a while now and is finally slipping into a recession. It will be a while before it can recover. The trail was started well before the last ballot was counted. Please show me the studies and research you've conducted that allowed you to come to the conclusion that an Obama presidency will cause a depression.

The tax system Obama is using is basically the same as Clinton. I don't recall any socialistic cries back then. The right wing media lifted a quote out of context and spun it like a top (or dradle for you Jewish folks).

I know I've probably scared away a few customers with my views here. But, I am happy that people can talk somewhat intelligently about issues without resorting to name calling.
 
Troy@DetailCity said:
I do want to say something about your comments of Republicans having a "victim mentality".

The main stream media has it out for the Republican party. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. So they are victims. Very little disrespect was shown to Obama or Biden and there was an onslaught of disrespect to both Palin and McCain. Are they capable of bashing the democrats? Yes and they do now and then but it is far from equal.
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Please link me to non-biased and independent studies that show this.
 
So far, an interesting discussion, but as with all political discussions, it would be easy for it to get out of hand.

1. The election is over, the choice has been made.
2. Whether we like it or don't like it, we really need to try to make it work.
3. As mentioned in another thread, it will be good to be free from all the negativity in the campaigning.
4. All the rhetoric will be history shortly, and the actions taken will tell us if the right choice was made.
5. It's been working great for me so far.
Gas is down to $1.81 here and seems to be coming down a little every day. (Yes, I know that will probably change, but let me enjoy it while I can. :)
My Social Security check is going up 5.8% soon and I will have more disposable income. :)
My wife just increased my allowance citing the "Redistribution of Wealth" discussed during the campaign. :yay
Our three vehicles are prepped for winter. :)
The lawn has probably been mowed for the last time this year. :yay
The snow blower is ready to go. :(
It hasn't snowed yet. :)
My wife and I are staying in good health. :)
Last but not least, I have been able to access DC with no problem for several days now. :)

Life is good! :bigups
 
Snow blower? Why would you need one of those? :) When I was visiting back home a couple weeks ago, I saw my snow blower in my father's barn. I do somewhat miss using that puppy. It was a new Toro and would blow the snow wicked high or far. When it was delivered, my wife commented "That's a lot bigger than the ones we looked at in the store." I smiled and grunted a little bit. I then proceeded to toss a couple coats of wax on it.
 
Scott P said:
Snow blower? Why would you need one of those? :) When I was visiting back home a couple weeks ago, I saw my snow blower in my father's barn. I do somewhat miss using that puppy. It was a new Toro and would blow the snow wicked high or far. When it was delivered, my wife commented "That's a lot bigger than the ones we looked at in the store." I smiled and grunted a little bit. I then proceeded to toss a couple coats of wax on it.
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It is for my wife. :D
If you would like to use it, stop by when we have about 6" of snow and I will even start it for you. :bigups
Like a lot of our stuff, it is about 30+ years old, but still does the job.

Addendum: Old Iowa joke. (Probably common in most cold climates)
Man tells wife they is going to move South.
Wife says where?
Man says he will strap a snow shovel on the front of his car and when someone asks him what the heck that's for, that's where we stop.
 
CharlesW said:
It is for my wife. :D
If you would like to use it, stop by when we have about 6" of snow and I will even start it for you. :bigups
Like a lot of our stuff, it is about 30+ years old, but still does the job.

Addendum: Old Iowa joke. (Probably common in most cold climates)
Man tells wife they is going to move South.
Wife says where?
Man says he will strap a snow shovel on the front of his car and when someone asks him what the heck that's for, that's where we stop.
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Six inches of snow? That's it? I come Rochester, NY. There were days we'd wake up to 15 inches of the stuff...and still go to work.
 
I consider myself more republican than democrat but I do not like the intolerance in many republican candidates and I think this is what turns some of the media off. It is not a positive message.

They will say every democrat (or anyone that disagrees with them as a socialist, godless, big spenders, pro-terrorist and anti-Israel, baby killers, and the root of every problem the Bush Admin failed at (9/11, Katrina, Iraq, the financial crisis, increasing deficits with uncontrolled spending with tax cuts without spending cuts, just as corrupt as the democrats they replaced, political partisanship to new levels.

This is why republicans invented the term "compassionate conservative" to appeal to moderates.
 
CharlesW said:
So far, an interesting discussion, but as with all political discussions, it would be easy for it to get out of hand.
It is funny how each side can distort facts to benefit themselves or put fear into people ...IMO ..GW and his administration has used 9/11 to foster fear and raise the alert to hide their ineptness of their policies.. with one of the all time lowest ratings of any President in history, I think the American people have seen this too..:notme:

1. The election is over, the choice has been made.

As McCain said..the people have made it clear what they want...
2. Whether we like it or don't like it, we really need to try to make it work.

Exactly whether we like it or not ... neither would have been my first choice :rolleyes:

 3. As mentioned in another thread, it will be good to be free from all the negativity in the campaigning.

:bow:bow:bow:bow:bow:bow:bow

4. All the rhetoric will be history shortly, and the actions taken will tell us if the right choice was made.

How true :inspector:

 5. It's been working great for me so far.
Gas is down to $1.81 here and seems to be coming down a little every day. (Yes, I know that will probably change, but let me enjoy it while I can. :)

Go for it Charles.. just let them know about it around here as it hasn't gotten that cheap here

 My Social Security check is going up 5.8% soon and I will have more disposable income. :)

OOH is that a sign of more detailing products coming your way :D

 My wife just increased my allowance citing the "Redistribution of Wealth" discussed during the campaign. :yay
Ditto of last response :rofl

 Our three vehicles are prepped for winter. :)

That means more spare time :passout:

 The lawn has probably been mowed for the last time this year. :yay

What :confused: no leaves to blow?

 The snow blower is ready to go. :(

That reminds me to get Pockets to start mine up ;)

 It hasn't snowed yet. :)

Let's :pray: we won't see any for a while... except in mountains where people can go ski :)

My wife and I are staying in good health. :)

That's good :bigups

 Last but not least, I have been able to access DC with no problem for several days now. :)

That's good too :bigups:bigups

Life is good! :bigups

indeed :passout::passout::passout:
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Scott P said:
Six inches of snow? That's it? I come Rochester, NY. There were days we'd wake up to 15 inches of the stuff...and still go to work.
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Either I didn't make myself clear or you didn't understand what I meant.
Anything less than 6" of snow, my wife just hand shovels it. That way, I don't have to get out of bed to start the snow blower for her. :D

Actually, 2" to 6" is probably the norm around my area with very few of the 12" to 18" snowfalls that some areas receive. Snow, we just basically accept and go about things in our regular routine.
The freezing rain and ice is a different story. At one time last year, I had a build up of over 3" of solid ice on the driveway. Snowed, freezing rain, snowed, more freezing rain. It took chipping it loose with a spade to get rid of it. The snowblower wasn't any help at all.
Don't you miss the North Country? :rofl:rofl:rofl
 
When I first suggested to the wife that we get a snow blower, her response was "We can just get two shovels." Apparently, if I had a shovel in each hand, it would go quicker. :)

She didn't use the snow blower, lawnmower, or any other piece of outdoor power equipment.
 
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