Turtle Wax: New member

Products I have tried from TW:

1)Ice CarWash : excellent lubricity and no spotting

2)TW Ice Liquid Polish: easy on/off for the casual user, nice crisp shine//neg:expensive compared to other OTC brands//little durability (To be honest this is before TW apparently reformulated the Ice Polish)

3)ICE Liquid Clay: I personally like this as an quick and easy alternative to traditional claying. However, I equate it to very good pre-wax cleaner

4)TW Express Shine: excellent spray wax, very durable and easy to use. IME lasts much longer than ICE Polish

5)Foam Away fairly easy waterless wash/wax. I did notice that it streaked on my hood (to be honest the car had been driven prior to application); I have only seen it in a couple stores.
 
i think TW needs to be more involved in & around more detailing forums, and more in tuned on what's going on with current products (from other manufacturers as well including boutique) in car care, etc.. the only TW product that i use right now would be the cd-2 engine detailer...

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I'm waiting for someone to sell decent clay bars at a decent price at a national chain store. I don't like to buy a bundled package that includes stuff I don't need, or paying for shipping from online vendors. Say, $10 for two bars at Walmart or Target. Might as well be a TW product.
 
TWax:

It's the end results for most detailing professionals. When Turle Wax has the product lines and web site like Meguires with the advice from knowlegdeable company staff professionals answering detailing professional's and do-it-yourselfer's questions, then MAYBE some of us will consider TW a viable company.

It's just that there are SO many competing detailing products on the market, and I tend to use those that give great results without spending a lot of money. It's a "value" issue.

I spend a good portion of my free time on this forum reading about what others have used and the results of their experience. I value the "'word of mouth" from many of my fellow Autopians. Had it not been for this forum and the information I read here, I would never have known about Collinite waxes or S100 wax or 303 Protectant that I purchased from local vendors/distributors.

This forum is a valuable tool to any detailing person. You're trying to use us as a marketing sounding board. In my opinion, a good product sells itself. That's why Optimum Car Care, FinishKare, Poor Boy's, Chemical Guys, ClearKote,and Zaino products get a lot of recommendations within this forum.

TW and Simonize were (past tense) leading car care product manufacture's, but time have changes. By your own company's admission, they no longer manufacture the products they develop, because of economic issues, and that has left some "questionable perceptions" about how good are your products today.

If you and the TW company really are serious about the car care business, start sponsoring detailing seminars that hilight your products. Show us what your products can do. It seems to me that the current TW company is living off its past name and product recognition.
 
Hi, long time lurker, don't post much.

But here is just my opinion on this question

I'm simply curious. What is it that makes Zaino or Meg's or other products more desireable to some on this board?



I think it is the simply fact that most of your products really just either cater or are marketed to the "average Joe." Most of the people who frequent forum boards such as Autopia are detailing enthusiasts. Alot spend a great deal of time detailing, while some don't. But most enthusiasts want products that are geared for them as well as geared for a specific purpose. Plus alot of people buy on recommendations and via word of mouth. When people like me who see other enthusiasts time and time again use a specific product, its hard not to want to buy it.





Also...... I'm sure TW can compete with products if it already doesn't such as tire/wheel cleaners, vinyl/leather/plastic dressings, wash solutions, waxes, clays, etc. etc. etc.

BUT.....

Alot of what you read and see on this board is in regards to paint correction. I'm fairly new to this so forgive my ignorance, but with the easy access nowadays to machines such as the Porter Cable 7424, the Meg's version, the Makita rotary's, most detail enthusiasts can now do what was once only reserved to people who were "professionals" i.e. body shop. With the somewhat easy access of these machines comes a wide range of available pads, compounds, polishes that can be used with it. Can TW provide products or compete with this segment of the market?
 
Over proper prep, any wax will look pretty good. However, the Turtle Wax line doesn't contain heavy compounds, medium grade and finishing polishes like Meguiars.



I do like your spray leather conditioner. Nice scent, no greasy fake shine.
 
Why does TW sell the rubbing compound in a green can? That stuff is the devil. I've fixed more then a few cars that where marred to hell and back only to see a newer looking can of this poison on the clients shelf.
 
They should make a combo to compete with 105/205 and start there. I would try it if the price was right. I agree the green can is the devil.
 
I'd be all over a good clay that could be had for $10 at walmart, preferably coming in an air tight(ish) storage container (ie Meguiars clay).



I think another issue with the TW lineup is that while they may have some good products out there, they are as expensive or more expensive than products from other brands (with a better reputation) like Megs, Mothers, etc. That's why I haven't tried ICE paste, why bother when it costs a few bucks more than NXT2? I've got plenty of MF towels, I bought a 20 pack for $5 at target and they're the same (not paint) quality as the ones included with the ICE products.



Like I said before, Platinum Paste is one my favorites, it was super cheap at like $7 (I shoulda bought the rest of what target had when they were $5 each), and it worked as good as or better than many waxes costing way more than it. It had the right blend of carnauba and polymer blend and was in general an awesome product, if it was a bit stinky. So the other TW products may be great, I don't know, because I've seen no reason to try them when they're 2-3x as much as Platinum Paste was, and are the same price as other products I've used and seen others use with great results.
 
Your products have no presence in the detailing community. In my opinion they are meant for the Wal-Mart crowd that have no idea what a polish really does or what a wax really is. Part of that is the fault of the market itself calling its products whatever the masses want to hear. For instance, calling products "wax" when they contain none whatsoever. Calling products "polish" when they they contain no abrasives, and so on. Many are guilty of this.



You may be familiar with your products but how familiar are you with the competition? You need to bone up because TW products are considered the bottom of the barrel if true or not. There is so much out there and TW is so far behind the times in what products a true detailer needs. Your appeal is to the Satuday afternoon guy that wants to smear some goo on his ride and have it look good for two days.



Folks here that need an effective compound, polish, AIO, or sealant/wax have no reason to look your way. I, for one, certainly would not. Why? IMAGE! I grew up with TW products and frankly they weren't very good even back then.........I'm talking back to the days of the "hard shell shine" and Simonize.
 
I think one of the biggest things I see is TW dosen't have any pro's on staff like Meg's and Zanio etc etc etc... No "Real" professional to give their products any sort of credibility. A lab and the ability to mass market your product in Wally world and Targe` does not make a good product. If you honestly think your products compare (or are even better in some cases) to Meg's and the like then get some good solid people with good solid reputations to really test the products in true professional settings and give hard line honest results. Until you can get this you'll never be looked at as anything other than run of the mill cheap end OTC products.
 
TWax – Welcome to Autopia. You’ll quickly note that members here are all about achieving the absolute best results. TW has, in my opinion, the stereotype of being the cream of the crop of the bottom of the barrel in regards to OTC quality. It will surely take more than your singlehanded effort to convert us to your product line. We typically don’t concentrate our buying efforts on OTC products, not only because of the stigma attached to it, but mostly because 99 times out of 100 there are better products available through our on-line counterparts that cater to our way of thinking (i.e. Autopian). I strongly suggest that you follow the rules by not trying to promote your products. Or else you’ll surely get banned by the moderators. Only time will tell if your true purpose here is to peddle products or open your eyes to other ways of thinking about detailing. On a side note, what does your company do to train, educate and support the professional detailing community? What role do you play at Turtle Wax? To what lengths do your testers/R & D people go to test their products? What is the background of these people? Other than the OTC market, how do you feel your products compare with the high end/boutique product lines out there?



You may find it entertaining to do a search of a banned member named GoudyL. ABove and beyond being an entertaining fellow, we was a strict supporter of your products. He seemed to know them quite well. Almost too well? Do you work with him?
 
Cut to the chase..................You asked and you are receiving. Remember what I said about having thick skin on your other post? Heed my words.
 
i personally think ICE "polish" is a good idea, but poor execution... i bought the first version, shortly after it came out, i was 16, and saw the commercials, and thought, thats awesome... its for trim, and paint. but it lasted like a week and a half(which dissapointed me, and i thought how can a 17 dollar bottle of something be so bad, and pretty much gave up on TW... sorry.. brutally honest.. and as someone else already said, i think your express wax lasts longer (which is one of the most durable otc spray waxes i think ive seen by the way, good job with that one). ice doesnt add too much to the look of the paint... if you could make ice better, im and find a way to let the public know that its better, im sure it would sell.. id buy it.

i think your ice wash is very good for OTC too. you could try making something simmilar to meguiars color X, which pretty much eats oxidation... and mabye a fine polish like scratch x, or swirl X..and due away with the rubbing compound in the little plastic "tin" thing... i agree with everyone else, it is the DEVIL, my girlfriends dad tried using it on some bird poop etching, and it cut so deep into his soft toyota clearcoat that it cant be fixed.. making something like that available to the public, is bound to give people many simmilar experiences, which is bad for your guy's name.
 
Yea, that green tub of compound has to go. I get it all the time from clients.(Email Conversation)"Yea, I got a scratch in my car and went down and got a can a TW compound and now its worse, please help." You guys have actually made me quite a bit of money.
 
What happened to TW Platinum Detail spray. I though that it was one of the best QDs out there. I tried your Express spray a long time ago , and I though that it was no were near as good as TWPUG spray.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Unless TW just became a sponsor here this thread is going to be pretty short-lived. I'm actually surprised it's lasted all day.
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As long as he is soliciting comments on TW and not pushing them, it will probably be okay.
 
The one Turtle Wax product that I use and like is CD2 Engine Detailer, but even though it is presented on the TW website, it's not really marketed as a Turtle Wax product. I presume that TW bought the line some time ago--am I right on that?



I contacted TW support with some questions about CD-2. I was told that I had to contact the CD-2 support division directly, which I did. It was clear that the person with whom I spoke did not know anything at all about the product. She was unable to offer any reliable suggestions on how to properly use the product--clearly she had never detailed an engine before--nor could she address my question whether CD-2 is petroleum-based or not. I subsequently called Stoner and asked them about using their Trim Shine as an engine detailer. The woman with whom I spoke was very knowledgeable about the Stoner products and about detailing.



If TW wants to break into the enthusiast market and compete directly against, say, Meguiar's, then it will need to develop a strong support system and begin offering detailing instruction for those who want to begin really taking care of their vehicles. IMHO. One reason Meguiar's enjoys such strong support is because we know the company is there to help us learn how to use their products properly and rescue us when we get ourselves into trouble. Turtle Wax enjoys a lot of shelf space, but it doesn't give anything to the detailing community, not even to those of us who are just learning about detailing.
 
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