Tried the PC with Menzerna and looked like ****... what did I do wrong?

cali6869

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Tried my new pc with Menzerna IP and FP

and didnt look good.... looked like a mess on my hood what could I be doing wrong?



I applied it with orange pad and then wipe it off with microfiber towel, and lil of detailer spray.

At the end I applied meguiers canuba wax #16 and looked worse...



I guess I'll try 83 and 80 this week, and hopefully I get better results.
 
Menzerna PG and IP are best used with a rotary to get them to "do their thing" well. FP can be used with a PC on #6 and a finishing pad with great success! I use FP with rotary and PC as my last step polish before applying any finish.



#83 can be a little difficult for the uninitiated. Please keep thses points in mind.



WITH A CUTTING PAD

(1) Do not use a lot of product on the pad - maximum would be a 1/4 inch line around the pad about halfway from center to edge.

(2) Clean your pad often with a pad cleaning spurr, or just change pads after 2-3 body panels

(3) If the pad appears to be leaving "gummy" streaks on the paint, this is indicative of too much product on the pad. Just spray the pad with a carnuba free QD (I use EO W&S), then get back to it until dry.

(4) This is the BIGGIE. Make sure you work the #83 until it is dusting on the paint. Wipe off with a MF towel when finished.



WITH A POLISHING PAD

(Because the cutting pad and DACP might leave "micro marring" that is visible. A polishing pad and DACP will remove those.)

Steps 1-4 as detailed above.



I haven't used #80, but have used #9.



Using #9 is different, but only in the sense you do not work it until it is dusting. Best results are obtained if you work it some then wipe it off wet.



Hope this helps
 
What does the mess look like ?



I'm currently trying my PC with IP. To remove I'm spraying a good amount of 50/50 alcohol/water and then MF.



I used a orange pad from CMA but very light swirls remained.

I ordered a yellow pad and it did a much better job.



I plan on applying the FPii with a white pad.
 
cali6869- If you didn't already get the Meg's #83/#80, maybe try 3M's PI-III RC (05933) and PI-III MG (05937/39012 depending on size). Very user-friendly, which you might appreciate after your struggles with the Menzerna twins.



Otherwise, yeah, work the #83 until it turns to powder (don't use too much!) and then work the #80 until it turns clear or clear/pink.
 
What happens if you use too much DACP #83?



Last weekend I used #83 with the orange pad to remove swirls of my black car. It remove most of them, but then I decided to treat the panel a second time with #83 with the same orange pad to remove the last remaining scratches.



To my dismay, when I was done, I noticed that the surface now has tiny little "pits" all over. What do you think caused these "pits" and what could I use to remove them?



Thank you in advance for your advice,
 
I use IP and a yellow/white pad a lot for minor issues but I keep a spray bottle of disstilled water on hand and when it starts to dry I just spritz lightly.



I have had good luck with it but just don't use too much.
 
I meant- don't use too much product, only use enough to do the job so you don't have to work it longer and do more cleanup.



No idea what the "pits" are, sorry.
 
flying c said:
What happens if you use too much DACP #83?........To my dismay, when I was done, I noticed that the surface now has tiny little "pits" all over. What do you think caused these "pits" and what could I use to remove them? ......

Is the area you're working on a repaint? Is it possible the pits were there all along and you just didn't notice them until the paint got cleaned up?



I suppose it's possible that the clear coat had some problems under the surface before you started and the DACP brought them out. Without good pictures and more info on the paint it's hard to make a judgement. You could always run by a body shop and see what they have to say about it.



Depending on how deep the pits are you may either have to live with them or get a repaint.
 
flying c said:
What happens if you use too much DACP #83?



Last weekend I used #83 with the orange pad to remove swirls of my black car. It remove most of them, but then I decided to treat the panel a second time with #83 with the same orange pad to remove the last remaining scratches.



To my dismay, when I was done, I noticed that the surface now has tiny little "pits" all over. What do you think caused these "pits" and what could I use to remove them?



Thank you in advance for your advice,



Amazing no one knows. I'm searching now for answers for a friend who has this very same problem on her Honda. Sorry, but no one seems to know much about this. I saw them myself just a few hours ago. Very strange.
 
MartyGrant said:
Amazing no one knows. I'm searching now for answers for a friend who has this very same problem on her Honda. Sorry, but no one seems to know much about this. I saw them myself just a few hours ago. Very strange.



We get the little pits here .. bout the size of a pin point tip.. Its from acid rain damage. As the rain dries it concentrates into a small droplette then inthe end the high concentrations makes a very tiny pitt.



High SO2 / SO3 areas will do it even with dew.



Also I have seen Micro Marring from #83 and a course pad do that if not worked long enough. You see what looks like piny pocks in the paint ..



The acid ones you can actually catch a pin point in.. the mars you can't.
 
I've used PG, IP, and FP and find it very difficult to work with a pc. Once you use it with the rotary, the product really shines through. Without the heat from a rotary, the product gummed up like crazy on the paint and it was a b***h to get out. I used it for about 6 months and decided there were other products that worked better for me.
 
Mark Waldron said:
I've used PG, IP, and FP and find it very difficult to work with a pc. Once you use it with the rotary, the product really shines through. Without the heat from a rotary, the product gummed up like crazy on the paint and it was a b***h to get out. I used it for about 6 months and decided there were other products that worked better for me.



IP and FP work great with a PC, I use them all the time and never have any problem with them gumming up or needing a QD or water to remove residue.



The thing I found that causes them to gum up is not working them long enough, having the pad too wet with water/QD or the pad is too caked.





Here are a couple of posts I did showing how IP and FP breakdown using a PC, if you don't get to the final stage like in the pictures it will be a PITA to remove:



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47155



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47421
 
MartyGrant said:
Amazing no one knows. I'm searching now for answers for a friend who has this very same problem on her Honda. Sorry, but no one seems to know much about this. I saw them myself just a few hours ago. Very strange.



my friend's black '97 Accord has little cracks that look like laquer checking all over his hood and front fenders... his sister's Civic is the same way, and my other friend's white '96 Civic had some cracks on the roof. I went to a body shop and the guy said it's common with Civics but he's never really seen it with Accords. The next time I go down to LA I'll take pics.
 
bunmango said:
my friend's black '97 Accord has little cracks that look like laquer checking all over his hood and front fenders... his sister's Civic is the same way, and my other friend's white '96 Civic had some cracks on the roof. I went to a body shop and the guy said it's common with Civics but he's never really seen it with Accords. The next time I go down to LA I'll take pics.



I've seen what you are talking about, but I think he is talking about something that look like this:



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These two products were the first two products I tried after buying a PC & I had very good success with both of them.

Sounds like you could be using too much product or perhaps you're not working it enough.



Question: Are you using FP or FPII? FPII was reformulated so it could be worked longer, info about FPII & IP from CMA:

http://www.properautocare.com/menfinpol.html

http://www.properautocare.com/meninpol.html



You're supposed to take IP & FP (FPII???) residue off with a damp MF towel or the residue will be difficult to remove.
 
I actually used both versions and did use a damp MF. With their original formula, I used the 50/50 split of water and alcohol as instructed. I'm not saying that they were bad products, but I have been using products that IMHO work alot easier and are more cost effective for my business needs.
 
Cali I hope you didn't apply the FP with a cutting pad too, never use a orange pad for FPII. That wouldn't have cause your problem but that product was not made for orange pad. Sometimes IP will need to be followed by FP depending on the paint color. Dark colors usually need to be smoothed out with FPII with a finishing pad. If you use a white pad you usually don't need to do anything else with IP. I've used menzerna polishes on about 20 cars in 04 and have never had any problems. Did you let the polish break down totally? Did you apply to mush pressure at first? other than that it is possible you had a bad batch, but I have never has any issues with menzerna. I do use a 9227 for my polishing and I've never used a dual action, so I can't comment on how those work.



DA*M, now I'm pi**ed. The reason I like menzerna is because they never put oils in ther stuff and now they do. I thought this new bottle smelled different, but I haven't used it yet. I guess now I have to use AIO after menzerna to get rid of the oils. Totally uncool! They should bring back the old FP so you can just wipe and go to sealant, what a drag. I guess I'm changing, anybody know of a polish that uses no oils, and is menzerna type quality???? There was no reason for them to add some oils to polish longer, all you had to do was spray water on the area and it extended the life of the polish.
 
bunmango said:
my friend's black '97 Accord has little cracks that look like laquer checking all over his hood and front fenders... his sister's Civic is the same way, and my other friend's white '96 Civic had some cracks on the roof. I went to a body shop and the guy said it's common with Civics but he's never really seen it with Accords. The next time I go down to LA I'll take pics.





Does it look like this?





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