Toyota Halts Sales of Eight U.S. Models After Recall

Ronkh said:
Nominated for best post in thread. :bigups
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Actually, I thought posts #111, #112, #113 by Poorboy and by Len_A should be nominated as the best exchange of viewpoints on the forum in recent memory. Maybe forever.
Two strong willed, (Hard headed?:)) individuals discussing their views in a civilized manner without rancor.
Kind of how a discussion should work.
Handled quite well by both parties. :bigups:bigups:bigups
 
cartoysautospa said:
just where are we now on this matter ?
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If you are referring to the original topic, we are right where we started.
Bystanders with no real knowledge of the problem or if the solution is going to work.
We won't be getting any updates from Toyota.
We probably will never know all the story.
We won't have much influence on how the problem is handled.
Those of us that want to buy a Toyota probably still will.

While it is an interesting discussion, I don't think we have resolved anything. :)

For me personally, the only good thing that might come out of this is lower prices for a used Toyota. Maybe then I could afford one. :)
 
The Big Picture Blog Archive How is Toyota Like Citigroup & Goldman Sachs?

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" It turns out that Banks aren’t the only entities who have managed to corrupt the political process and end up hurting themselves and the public as a result. The world’s largest automaker has managed to make a mockery of the regulatory process as well.

Toyota North America hired several employees directly from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). These former government employees helped to end NHTSA probes into unintended acceleration occurring in some of the same vehicles that are now being massively recalled and which are apparently responsible for causing deaths. The probes were ended in 2002-03, and the employees consistently lobbied against any expanded inquiry into these issues over the past decade.

The irony is that Toyota’s regulatory lobbying effort was in pursuit of short-term gains that ended up causing long-term damage to their reputation. As with banking, special treatment given to firms at their own request has been damaging — even fatal, to their own existence. In Toyota’s case, it has led to the tarnishing of their once impeccable reputation, and regrettably to the deaths of 19 of their customers.

Other impact: Toyota has managed to charge a premium for their vehicles, due in large part to high resale value and a general perception of quality. That has now been significantly damaged, but by how much and for how long is unknown at the moment. I swung by a Honda dealer yesterday to see what fallout, if any, there has been. The biggest was that the wholesalers have been dropping bids on trade-in Toyotas quite significantly — $2000-3000 dollars at the least. (So much for that high resale value)."

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" Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003 . . .

In one example of the Toyota aides’ role, Santucci testified in a Michigan lawsuit that the company and NHTSA discussed limiting an examination of unintended acceleration complaints to incidents lasting less than a second."
 
Ronkh said:
The Big Picture Blog Archive How is Toyota Like Citigroup & Goldman Sachs?

snip.......
" It turns out that Banks aren’t the only entities who have managed to corrupt the political process and end up hurting themselves and the public as a result. The world’s largest automaker has managed to make a mockery of the regulatory process as well.

Toyota North America hired several employees directly from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). These former government employees helped to end NHTSA probes into unintended acceleration occurring in some of the same vehicles that are now being massively recalled and which are apparently responsible for causing deaths. The probes were ended in 2002-03, and the employees consistently lobbied against any expanded inquiry into these issues over the past decade.

The irony is that Toyota’s regulatory lobbying effort was in pursuit of short-term gains that ended up causing long-term damage to their reputation. As with banking, special treatment given to firms at their own request has been damaging — even fatal, to their own existence. In Toyota’s case, it has led to the tarnishing of their once impeccable reputation, and regrettably to the deaths of 19 of their customers.

Other impact: Toyota has managed to charge a premium for their vehicles, due in large part to high resale value and a general perception of quality. That has now been significantly damaged, but by how much and for how long is unknown at the moment. I swung by a Honda dealer yesterday to see what fallout, if any, there has been. The biggest was that the wholesalers have been dropping bids on trade-in Toyotas quite significantly — $2000-3000 dollars at the least. (So much for that high resale value)."

Snip.....
" Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003 . . .

In one example of the Toyota aides’ role, Santucci testified in a Michigan lawsuit that the company and NHTSA discussed limiting an examination of unintended acceleration complaints to incidents lasting less than a second."
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Unbelievable. I wonder whether those die-hard Toyota fans, the posting on some web sites that they can't believe how Toyota is being unfairly treated, think of this. Toyota is like many corporations.
 
Len_A said:
Toyota is like many corporations.
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I think you're right on the money. I don't think there is a company out there that wouldn't do their darndest to try and minimize quality issues and responsibilities related to those issues. It's why they pay lawyers gobs of money every year.
 
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