Toyota Halts Sales of Eight U.S. Models After Recall

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The automaker said it did not know when dealers could resume selling the cars and trucks because it had not yet determined a remedy to the problem, which in certain rare circumstances can cause the gas pedal to remain depressed after the driver's foot is removed.
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89LXi said:
Are the models affected "drive by wire" or do they have a traditional accelerator linkage?
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They are drive by wire.
They have a software problem but refused to admit it until they found out ABC news was going to air a special about it and they acted the day before the airing
The floor mat never was the problem and they knew it.

Seems all car manufactures always want to deny their problems until they have no alternative but to fix the problem.

Toyota recently told all suppliers that they must reduce cost by 30% so their quality will continue to slide.
Toyota quality has been slipping for several years now but most people don't seem to be aware of it.

They got focused on being the worlds #1 in sales instead of #1 in quality.
 
worst part is that they do not have the replacement part yet even though they have agreed to a recall :wall so if we crash we at least know why :D
 
Poorboy said:
hell no ... if i slam into someone it's not my fault :rolleyes:

it's good to ride big :D
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :D

On a serious note, did anyone else hear the 9-1-1 tape of the Lexus driver who called the police while accelerating uncontrolled toward a cross street? I think this was the precipitating event for the "floor mat fiasco." He and his family were killed in the collision.

The 9-1-1 operator was extremely cool and collected, but offered no helpful advice (on the segment that I heard.) Note to Emergency Operations Center staff everywhere: "Shift into Neutral, Sir!" "Turn the ignition key off!" "Step on the brake pedal, as hard as you can!" "Pull the emergency brake!!!" "Do it now!!!"

What am I missing here?
 
black bart said:
They are drive by wire.
They have a software problem but refused to admit it until they found out ABC news was going to air a special about it and they acted the day before the airing
The floor mat never was the problem and they knew it.

Seems all car manufactures always want to deny their problems until they have no alternative but to fix the problem.

Toyota recently told all suppliers that they must reduce cost by 30% so their quality will continue to slide.
Toyota quality has been slipping for several years now but most people don't seem to be aware of it.

They got focused on being the worlds #1 in sales instead of #1 in quality.
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And they're claiming it the gas pedal assembly made by CTS in Canada, and that it affects American production of Toyota brands only, but there are reports of the same problems in Lexus models made in Japan with eh same gas pedal design, manufactured by Denso.

Toyota has been asking for trouble like this for the last ten to twelve years. They got a lot of praise heaped on them for redesigning cars from the ground up, and going from concept-to-production in around three years, but those of us who have worked in the auto industry, especially in the Tier One and Tier Two auto parts sector, openly questioned whether they could pull it off without big quality problems, and we got shouted down by some Toyota fans for even questioning the "almighty" Toyota. Well, it looks like there some credibility in questioning how fast they, Toyota, tried to move.
 
And there's the former Toyota lawyer accusing Toyota of deliberately hiding evidence of defects: Toyota found to keep tight lid on potential safety problems - latimes.com

Actually suing Toyota:

* A former Toyota lawyer who handled safety litigation has sued the automaker, accusing it of engaging in a "calculated conspiracy to prevent the disclosure of damaging evidence" as part of a scheme to "prevent evidence of its vehicles' structural shortcomings from becoming known" to plaintiffs lawyers, courts, NHTSA and the public.

As a result, plaintiffs attorneys are considering reopening dozens of product-liability suits against the automaker.
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How would like to be the automotive manufacturer client, being sued by a former attorney who knows where all the bodies are buried?
 
I'm a Toyota guy, and this looks like bad news for Toyota. On the one hand, they seem to be stepping up to the plate by halting sales and production. On the other hand, it appears they dragged their feet on it for a bit. Maybe they can work it out and come out on the better end. Ford seems to have done okay with two large issues they had in the recent past, so it is possible.

My Tundra is in the recall, as is my wife's Highlander. I'm not really all that concerned, and I really don't know if I want the dealership working on my vehicle. I guess if it got bad, I'd be looking into another make of vehicle.
 
JaredPointer said:
I'm a Toyota guy, and this looks like bad news for Toyota. On the one hand, they seem to be stepping up to the plate by halting sales and production. On the other hand, it appears they dragged their feet on it for a bit. Maybe they can work it out and come out on the better end. Ford seems to have done okay with two large issues they had in the recent past, so it is possible.

My Tundra is in the recall, as is my wife's Highlander. I'm not really all that concerned, and I really don't know if I want the dealership working on my vehicle. I guess if it got bad, I'd be looking into another make of vehicle.
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There are reports that they've been dragging their feet on this since at least last October, and perhaps back to last summer. Worse yet, they became aware of the very same issue in Europe months before they claim to have become aware of it here in North America.

Nikkei, Japans equivalent of the Wall Street Journal, in a very uncharacteristic for a Japanese publication fashion, rip Toyota today, for the second time in a week, for their quality problems.
 
Len_A said:
There are reports that they've been dragging their feet on this since at least last October, and perhaps back to last summer. Worse yet, they became aware of the very same issue in Europe months before they claim to have become aware of it here in North America.

Nikkei, Japans equivalent of the Wall Street Journal, in a very uncharacteristic for a Japanese publication fashion, rip Toyota today, for the second time in a week, for their quality problems.
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I haven't really followed it that closely, so I don't know a lot of the specific details. In their defense, one of the things that I just finished reading on another website was that this was a proactive action - i.e. they decided to do this based on research of the pedal/accelerator assembly. NOT due to any other related accidents or fatalities other than the family in the Lexus that seems to have touched this off.
 
First, a disclaimer.
1. We have and have had several import vehicles and have been happy with them.
2. We have and have had several domestic vehicles and have been happy with them.

Now to the point.
If this was Chrysler, Ford or GM, it would be front page news.
I first read about it here.
In doing a quick Google search, I found very little mention of this in the news even now.
Do the imports have that much clout with the media?

If you do some checking, you will find that the imports have had a lot more recalls and problems than most of us know about.
I guess we gripe about our domestic vehicles and just accept the import problems.
 
Actually it has been on at least a couple of the national news broadcasts, as well as some of the local broadcasts.

We've also owned a variety of imported vehicles:
Datsun that's Nissan for you youngsters. ;)
Volvo pre-Ford ownership
VW

Don't have much bad to say about any of these, with the exception of somewhat lackluster dealer service support for the VW. And I will say that the paint on the Volvo is the best of any of the vehicles I've owned. The only other that stands out was the '65 Ford Galaxie 500.

Other than that we have primarily purchased and owned Ford/Mercury. The two exceptions were a S-10 Blazer gifted to me by my Grandmother and an '89 Plymouth Voyager. The S-10 (6 cyl)had the well known/documented problem with the rings (IIRC) which with age caused the vehicle to smoke at cold start. The Chrysler was another animal, poor paint, poor mechanics, ridiculously poor dealer/mfg support. We have been satisfied with our Fords (yes even the '74 Pinto that my dear sweet Wife brought to the marriage). We had a problem (tranny IIRC) with a '75 Mercury Cougar, but Ford shared the repair costs without too much urging other than a single letter.

As far as the current Toyota issue (lest we forget the previous engine sludge problem), I don't think we have a lot of "fan-boy" posting about how great this car maker is better than that car maker like at some other forums. One that I'm thinking about (not automotive centric) has several posters talking about how they will only be buying Toyotas going forward because they build such quality products. AFAIK all of the products are still designed by and built by humans (yes, I know they are aided by computers during both processes). IMO, this is just another example of how products are rarely as great as they are hyped, nor as poor.

Edit to add: I forgot a Honda Civic purchased secondhand (2 y/o) for our Daughter, but the entire ownership experience was "under my roof". Problematic A/C compressor, cheap interior (JP's comment below refreshed my memory -- not an old one either just sold it last May).
 
All companies have been guilty but a lot of people think Toyota was above it but look at the engine sludge problem from years ago tens of thousands had to replace the engine and Toyota would not stand behind them.

It was not until 10 years later when Toyota lost a class action law suit that they offered to pay those owners for their loss $$$$$ replacing the engine.

I don't want to rag on Toyota but I have read Sooooo much about how they could do no wrong but it turns out they are not perfect after all.
 
JaredPointer said:
I haven't really followed it that closely, so I don't know a lot of the specific details. In their defense, one of the things that I just finished reading on another website was that this was a proactive action - i.e. they decided to do this based on research of the pedal/accelerator assembly. NOT due to any other related accidents or fatalities other than the family in the Lexus that seems to have touched this off.
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Now NHTSA is saying that federal law required both the recall and the stop sale order. Report: Toyota was legally required to stop selling recalled models

Now the recall is going global: Report: Toyota to take pedal recall global — Autoblog
 
Mr. Clean said:
As far as the current Toyota issue (lest we forget the previous engine sludge problem), I don't think we have a lot of "fan-boy" posting about how great this car maker is better than that car maker like at some other forums. One that I'm thinking about (not automotive centric) has several posters talking about how they will only be buying Toyotas going forward because they build such quality products. AFAIK all of the products are still designed by and built by humans (yes, I know they are aided by computers during both processes). IMO, this is just another example of how products are rarely as great as they are hyped, nor as poor.
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Don't forget their rotting truck frames.
 
Mr. Clean said:
Actually it has been on at least a couple of the national news broadcasts, as well as some of the local broadcasts.

We've also owned a variety of imported vehicles:
Datsun that's Nissan for you youngsters. ;)
Volvo pre-Ford ownership
VW

Don't have much bad to say about any of these, with the exception of somewhat lackluster dealer service support for the VW. And I will say that the paint on the Volvo is the best of any of the vehicles I've owned. The only other that stands out was the '65 Ford Galaxie 500.

Other than that we have primarily purchased and owned Ford/Mercury. The two exceptions were a S-10 Blazer gifted to me by my Grandmother and an '89 Plymouth Voyager. The S-10 (6 cyl)had the well known/documented problem with the rings (IIRC) which with age caused the vehicle to smoke at cold start. The Chrysler was another animal, poor paint, poor mechanics, ridiculously poor dealer/mfg support. We have been satisfied with our Fords (yes even the '74 Pinto that my dear sweet Wife brought to the marriage). We had a problem (tranny IIRC) with a '75 Mercury Cougar, but Ford shared the repair costs without too much urging other than a single letter.

As far as the current Toyota issue (lest we forget the previous engine sludge problem), I don't think we have a lot of "fan-boy" posting about how great this car maker is better than that car maker like at some other forums. One that I'm thinking about (not automotive centric) has several posters talking about how they will only be buying Toyotas going forward because they build such quality products. AFAIK all of the products are still designed by and built by humans (yes, I know they are aided by computers during both processes). IMO, this is just another example of how products are rarely as great as they are hyped, nor as poor.
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good point
 
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