Topping D151

[bswombaugh]

I like using Meg D151on a lot of my daily drivers. It has nice correcting abilities along with very easy wipe off and finishes down very well for a 1 step product. It does however seem to provide very limited durability in the protection department. Can I apply something like Duragloss 105/601, Collinite 845 or OCW directly over the D151 and expect to get the durability that I would normally see from these products ? I guess my concern is that since the D151 is my base, will its earlier deterioration negate the protection of my LSP ? Thanks

 

[RaskyR1]

I like using Meg D151on a lot of my daily drivers. It has nice correcting abilities along with very easy wipe off and finishes down very well for a 1 step product. It does however seem to provide very limited durability in the protection department. Can I apply something like Duragloss 105/601, Collinite 845 or OCW directly over the D151 and expect to get the durability that I would normally see from these products ? I guess my concern is that since the D151 is my base, will its earlier deterioration negate the protection of my LSP ? Thanks

IMO it makes more sense to use a dedicated polish anytime you plan to apply a dedicated wax/sealant. The whole purpose of AIO products like D151 is to combine multiple steps into one. The end result will always be better when you break up the steps and do them individually. :bigups


Rasky

 

[Stokdgs]

I have had great results using Collenite 845 over Meguiars D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme on a Chevrolet Truck, 2008, Metallic Green...
This is what the Client wanted and paid for; not necessarily what I wanted, but it turned out beautiful, using the D151 with a Rotary...
Dan F

 

[bswombaugh]

Rasky; I understand what you are saying. I still eliminate one step in the process by going from a polish to a LSP. It essentially becomes a 2 step. I offer the a 3 step ie 105/205/LSP for an additional charge. I just want to give the customer something that is going to protect more than a few weeks. Is there something else that you would rec. as a 1 step polish with decent correction ability that could be followed immediately with a durable LSP? Thanks.

 

[Meticulous]

I like using Meg D151on a lot of my daily drivers. It has nice correcting abilities along with very easy wipe off and finishes down very well for a 1 step product. It does however seem to provide very limited durability in the protection department. Can I apply something like Duragloss 105/601, Collinite 845 or OCW directly over the D151 and expect to get the durability that I would normally see from these products ? I guess my concern is that since the D151 is my base, will its earlier deterioration negate the protection of my LSP ? Thanks

Do you let D151 dry to a haze and then remove? It should last 2-3 months. It has a short working time, so do a test spot and once you dial it in 3-4 passes and the let dry to a haze before removing.

Couple of suggestions:

You can top D151 with D151 on a finishing pad.

You can mix D151 with DG 501/601 on the pad and apply at the same time. DG501/601 has great durability, mix it right on the pad. I have done this on several details with great results and durability for a 1 step.

Here is an example:

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Rasky; I understand what you are saying. I still eliminate one step in the process by going from a polish to a LSP. It essentially becomes a 2 step. I offer the a 3 step ie 105/205/LSP for an additional charge. I just want to give the customer something that is going to protect more than a few weeks. Is there something else that you would rec. as a 1 step polish with decent correction ability that could be followed immediately with a durable LSP? Thanks.

To further what Rasky was saying.... Your original concerns of applying a stronger wax over a weaker foundation are well founded. D151 MAY limit how much the product applied over it will last, thus negating the benefit of adding more protection.

1 step - D151
2 steps D151 with wax OR polish with wax...

In this case, polish with wax will not only correct more (using a dedicated polish) but protect longer.

 

[RaskyR1]

Rasky; I understand what you are saying. I still eliminate one step in the process by going from a polish to a LSP. It essentially becomes a 2 step. I offer the a 3 step ie 105/205/LSP for an additional charge. I just want to give the customer something that is going to protect more than a few weeks. Is there something else that you would rec. as a 1 step polish with decent correction ability that could be followed immediately with a durable LSP? Thanks.

In the Meguiar's line, M205!:bigups

M205 can do some serious correction with the right tool and pad, though it can require some finessing on softer paints when it comes to finishing down.

Keep in mind that it can be a trade off with 1-step jobs as well...do you want more correction or max gloss? You can't always have both in a 1-step job. This is where you have to choose what's most important based on the color, condition, paint type, and clients needs.

Rasky

 

[bswombaugh]

Rasky; I typically would only use M205 as a finishing polish on a white or blue flat pad or my favorite is the crimson hydrotech pad on a PC or my flex 3401. I have never really tried it for any major correction. Most of the time I would use UC on a Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech and the follow with the 205 on a finish pad. Are you suggesting using the 205 combined with a more aggressive pad such as the Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech. I know the flex is a more aggressive machine and would assume that it would be better suited for this process. Anyone out there have any specific pad combinations using the 205 with a flex for these type of one step corrections that we are discussing ? I do realize that every paint is different and there will always be exceptions to the rule. Thanks

 

[RaskyR1]

Rasky; I typically would only use M205 as a finishing polish on a white or blue flat pad or my favorite is the crimson hydrotech pad on a PC or my flex 3401. I have never really tried it for any major correction. Most of the time I would use UC on a Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech and the follow with the 205 on a finish pad. Are you suggesting using the 205 combined with a more aggressive pad such as the Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech. I know the flex is a more aggressive machine and would assume that it would be better suited for this process. Anyone out there have any specific pad combinations using the 205 with a flex for these type of one step corrections that we are discussing ? I do realize that every paint is different and there will always be exceptions to the rule. Thanks

M205 cuts extremely well on the Rupes 21 with Megs MF pads and on most paints it will pull out 1500 girt sanding marks will little effort. :bigups

I never liked the way the Flex acted with MF so I don't know how well it would work with that combo. The tangerine and crimson LC were my go to pads when I still had it though and they should give decent cut with M205.

 

[Ronkh]

I like using Meg D151on a lot of my daily drivers. It has nice correcting abilities along with very easy wipe off and finishes down very well for a 1 step product. It does however seem to provide very limited durability in the protection department. Can I apply something like Duragloss 105/601, Collinite 845 or OCW directly over the D151 and expect to get the durability that I would normally see from these products ? I guess my concern is that since the D151 is my base, will its earlier deterioration negate the protection of my LSP ? Thanks

Sorta my own take on things, but if ya want durability, use a coating.

If ya want to be able to top stuff, just do it.

151 is real nice, but it really isn't all that durable. (a great 1 step) but there are tons of them. So in actuality, by topping it with something you may add durability till ya decide to do something else

 

[The Guz]

In the Meguiar's line, M205!:bigups

M205 can do some serious correction with the right tool and pad, though it can require some finessing on softer paints when it comes to finishing down.

Keep in mind that it can be a trade off with 1-step jobs as well...do you want more correction or max gloss? You can't always have both in a 1-step job. This is where you have to choose what's most important based on the color, condition, paint type, and clients needs.

Rasky

Rasky; I typically would only use M205 as a finishing polish on a white or blue flat pad or my favorite is the crimson hydrotech pad on a PC or my flex 3401. I have never really tried it for any major correction. Most of the time I would use UC on a Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech and the follow with the 205 on a finish pad. Are you suggesting using the 205 combined with a more aggressive pad such as the Cyan or Tangerine Hydrotech. I know the flex is a more aggressive machine and would assume that it would be better suited for this process. Anyone out there have any specific pad combinations using the 205 with a flex for these type of one step corrections that we are discussing ? I do realize that every paint is different and there will always be exceptions to the rule. Thanks

M205 cuts extremely well on the Rupes 21 with Megs MF pads and on most paints it will pull out 1500 girt sanding marks will little effort. :bigups

I never liked the way the Flex acted with MF so I don't know how well it would work with that combo. The tangerine and crimson LC were my go to pads when I still had it though and they should give decent cut with M205.

M205 is a great product. Using it with a Rupes and megs MF pads has shown to be a good combination over on the meguiar's forum courtesy of Michael Stoops.

 

[The Critic]

M205 is certainly a good choice for a 1-step correction. It can provide significant cut when paired Meguiars MF Finishing Discs on the Rupes. However, I have found that it leaves a small amount of haze on darker soft paints.