tropicsteve
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can't beat that, I say let them do it. if the finish declines during the year, ask them if waxing, etc will void the warranty. if not, wax away. plenty of easy to use spray waxes out there for a quick refresh.
Told not to wax car with diamond gloss from ziebart
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can't beat that, I say let them do it. if the finish declines during the year, ask them if waxing, etc will void the warranty. if not, wax away. plenty of easy to use spray waxes out there for a quick refresh.
EVOlved
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They would never know anyway.. Come on.. I don't want to say it as harsh as some of the other guys but rust protection?? What are they putting on for that I want to see this.
tedj101
New member
I think he is referring to two facts: 1) Rust coating is done at the factory on most quality cars these days and 2) Rust coating applied in the aftermarket is an iffy proposition. If done well, it can be effective, but if not done well, it can create rust by sealing foreign matter under the rust coating. The likelihood of getting it done well in a competitive automotive marketing environment is speculative.
I used to be in the automotive business and we used to sell this stuff. I don't buy it as a matter of policy for the reasons said above.
As always, YMMV...
I did all the research I could before buying the product. I did read a few sites that stated the same things you posted. But, for the most part, people that have bought it were satisfied. Its like you said, the product has to be applied well. There's always warranty.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
When it comes to rust protection, it is not needed. However, if you got a warranty and plan on using your car as a daily driver, then it sounds good.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
As well with all the little holes they drill to get their wand in to apply rustproofing to inside panels. That breaks the zinc (?) dip coating and then they put a nice little plastic hole cover that shrinks and expands with the weather.
Ahhh, but what do I know.......
"rust and dust" .... separating a customer from their money for decades. :lol2:
Merlin
A Miracle Detailing
marlinspike
New member
Anybody who collects classic cars knows the "rust proofing" actually makes matters worse. While galvanized steel can still eventually rust, you're better off just keeping it clean.
Yup. And as us newer Dodge Challenger owners know now that they're hitting + 5 years old they're starting to rust in the rockers/rear quarters where the factory injected foam as a filler. And mine's even Ziebart rustproofed. That's a joke I tell ya. Better question is whether anyone's ever gotten Ziebart to pay when their stuff didn't work.
jfelbab
New member
Where is their warranty? Why do you suppose they don't publish their warranty on their website? If your paint fails, do they repaint or do they simply refund your original payment?
It might be they don't publish it because they're a freaking scam. They also completely fail to mention the "warranty" doesn't even apply unless you take it back to them for a yearly "inspection" where they try to sell you more. And while the OP "has enough bucks" (or did in a year old post) to not care about the cost he'll be happy paying like in my case the $2200 bill to cut all the rust out of a 5 year old car with 47k miles on it. Ziebart? Wouldn't cover anything because the huge spot at the bottom of the passenger quarter panel wasn't "rusted through" even though it had popped all the paint from underneath. I bought the car from the original owner and had all the docs, had I been the one to have paid for the Ziebart scam I would have been royally pissed.
Accumulator
Well-known member
I wouldn't generalize to the point that all rustproofing is detrimental, and though I generally do the "just keep it spotlessly clean" route myself, with enough winter salt/etc. exposure certain vehicles simply rust out without a *properly done* rustproofing. Of course, some rust out even *with* it due to goofy design ideas like that foam in the rockers (IIRC, Honda has a similar problem around some fuel filler pockets).
MiVor
New member
Well yer in Florida but I LIVE in the northeast (just a few miles from a SALT mine) and I see rust buckets every day. True, 'new' vehicles take some time to rust, but I've seen 2-3 year olds with rust. Rust proofing and undercoating is worth the time and money if one plans on keeping the ride....and with today's vehicles (if taken care of) pushing 200k miles, what's a couple hundred dollars to keep the rust at bay?! <rhetorical>
MiVor
New member
I can understand with their sealant or coating they don't want you to 'wax' - many 'waxes' have cleaners that could negate their product.
When you think of it, this is a pretty good detailing ploy of sorts. Sell an annual service....many folks buy a new car thinking they'll keep it so they buy the rust proofing, undercoating and paint protection plan that includes the annual service. But then many, if not most, get the itch in 2 or 3 years and buy another one.
When you think of it, this is a pretty good detailing ploy of sorts. Sell an annual service....many folks buy a new car thinking they'll keep it so they buy the rust proofing, undercoating and paint protection plan that includes the annual service. But then many, if not most, get the itch in 2 or 3 years and buy another one.
Accumulator
Well-known member
MiVor- (as per my post on the other thread...) at least that way they have the car looking OK for their term of ownership without having to do much.