imported_Intel486
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You all want to post on Roadfly.com about autopia? and how it is a better forum?
we'll be overun by newbs but nothin we can't handle.
we'll be overun by newbs but nothin we can't handle.
The Wax Test...... NEW!!
- Thread starter C. Charles Hahn
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C. Charles Hahn
CCH Auto Appearance, LLC
4DSC said:
isnt that the way you're supposed to do it??
I mean think about "kirate kid"...... "wax on, wax off", swirl marks galore...... :doh
imported_RIC
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"I dunno. I can't find any example pages on the site.... I don't even know which 46 waxes were actually tested. Really don't know what to expect, but I'm going to place my order for the report + guru membership. I think of it this way. If I personally spend the money on 46 waxes to test them out myself, I would spend heck a lot more than $35. I've always like "thewaxtest" and Steve so I don't think I'll be disappointed.
There are too much negative comments right now BEFORE anyone even read it.. This is not right! "
I enjoyed reading the waxtest and commenting on their results and opinions but I am just disappointed that they decided to put the new results in the form of a full-colored magazine that they are charging $15 for. I am more interested in the bottom line results-with some insight into their testing methods. I do not need glossy pictures or demonstrations on proper application methods. A text file or spreadsheet with their results would suit me just fine.
This magazine may be great for people who are not familiar with detailing or internet detailing forums but unless they walk into a magazine store they will not likely know that it is even available.
From the corresponding emails that I had with Steve, he made it seem as though this method of publishing a magazine with the results was the only logical way to do it.
There are too much negative comments right now BEFORE anyone even read it.. This is not right! "
I enjoyed reading the waxtest and commenting on their results and opinions but I am just disappointed that they decided to put the new results in the form of a full-colored magazine that they are charging $15 for. I am more interested in the bottom line results-with some insight into their testing methods. I do not need glossy pictures or demonstrations on proper application methods. A text file or spreadsheet with their results would suit me just fine.
This magazine may be great for people who are not familiar with detailing or internet detailing forums but unless they walk into a magazine store they will not likely know that it is even available.
From the corresponding emails that I had with Steve, he made it seem as though this method of publishing a magazine with the results was the only logical way to do it.
imported_Intel486
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ShowroomLincoln said:
The part where you named off all the companies like Ford, Chevy, etc. Ron always does that when you start knocking Autoint. I guess you are picking up the ways of AutoInt.
RIC said:
He has to be getting into trying to market it to the general public. Remember, people like pretty pictures!
Really? I've never seen him do that once. Strange that I'm picking up the ways of AutoInt considering I don't even work there yet. If your complaints about AutoInt were based on some facts about thier products instead of personal hatred for them perhaps your constant bashing of them would be more tolerable.
I'm done talking on this subject.
imported_Intel486
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ShowroomLincoln said:
Don't worry. I'll be testing their products soon. But the people should represent their company better. I'll trade to a different company if I don't like the way people treat you.
imported_BretFraz
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Perhaps a little perspective/history lesson is in order.
When thewaxtest.com first hit the internet it was basically a few car nuts (like us) trying to make some logical sense out of all the hype, BS, outlandish claims, and downright misinformation that was floating around the internet concerning car care products. While there was no exact science to their methods (like there's no exact science behind any Autopian's method of product analysis) at least they tried to be as fair and balanced as they could be in testing and evaluating products. All the products they purchased came from money out of their own pockets, as did the web hosting, site design, purchases of test panels and various tools needed to do the job. No one involved with thewaxtest.com got anything free from anyone.
The popularity of the tests surprised everyone involved. The amount of attention was amazing. Seeing this could be something bigger than anyone could have imagined, thewaxtest.com staff refined and expanded their testing criteria in order to be more fair and more inclusive. It was about this time that the folks from Roadfly.com contacted thewaxtest.com and inquired about a merger so that the scope of thewaxtest.com could expand even more. Roadfly.com has an ambitious vision for their site and incorporating something like thewaxtest.com fit into this vision. Simply put, Roadfly.com could offer thewaxtest.com a level of support and visibility that it could never reach on its own.
Changing the scope of thewaxtest.com from a little freebie homegrown website to a full blown magazine is part of the support Roadfly.com could provide. A full-color professionally produced magazine means thewaxtest.com is in the Major League's. It will be supported by advertising encompassing a variety of media including TV. The bottom line of all this is that the most extensive testing of car care products will now be available to the masses - no internet connection required. It was never designed to be targeted towards professional detailers (hence no testing of ValuGard or Pro). IMO, it's not exactly fair to compare products that are not easily made available to the general public. The magazine should appeal to a wide variety of folks, from casual product users to weekend warriors to the elite amateur detailers. I think the information in the magazine will help inform and entertain a huge group of car enthusiasts looking to cut thru the BS and hype that grows like kudzu on dozens of internet chat rooms.
Personally, I don't think there will be anything in the magazine that will be revolutionary for Autopians. We discuss and kvtech over the most minute detail of all the boutique products in the market and blow off the rest.
I do have two requests:
(1) Buy the magazine, if only to show support for the idea and hard work that went into producing it. Trust me, no one is getting rich and famous from its production.
(2) If you do buy the magazine, show a little respect by not revealing every last bit of information, if for no other reason than to protect the integrity of the magazine itself.
Anyway, these are my thoughts and views on the matter. I was a big supporter of thewaxtest.com from the moment it was launched and I still support it today. Just like I support the purchase of David's Autopia Guide To Detailing and my support of Autopia sponsors. It all boils down to respect. I encourage all of you to show some.
All my love,
- - Bret - -
When thewaxtest.com first hit the internet it was basically a few car nuts (like us) trying to make some logical sense out of all the hype, BS, outlandish claims, and downright misinformation that was floating around the internet concerning car care products. While there was no exact science to their methods (like there's no exact science behind any Autopian's method of product analysis) at least they tried to be as fair and balanced as they could be in testing and evaluating products. All the products they purchased came from money out of their own pockets, as did the web hosting, site design, purchases of test panels and various tools needed to do the job. No one involved with thewaxtest.com got anything free from anyone.
The popularity of the tests surprised everyone involved. The amount of attention was amazing. Seeing this could be something bigger than anyone could have imagined, thewaxtest.com staff refined and expanded their testing criteria in order to be more fair and more inclusive. It was about this time that the folks from Roadfly.com contacted thewaxtest.com and inquired about a merger so that the scope of thewaxtest.com could expand even more. Roadfly.com has an ambitious vision for their site and incorporating something like thewaxtest.com fit into this vision. Simply put, Roadfly.com could offer thewaxtest.com a level of support and visibility that it could never reach on its own.
Changing the scope of thewaxtest.com from a little freebie homegrown website to a full blown magazine is part of the support Roadfly.com could provide. A full-color professionally produced magazine means thewaxtest.com is in the Major League's. It will be supported by advertising encompassing a variety of media including TV. The bottom line of all this is that the most extensive testing of car care products will now be available to the masses - no internet connection required. It was never designed to be targeted towards professional detailers (hence no testing of ValuGard or Pro). IMO, it's not exactly fair to compare products that are not easily made available to the general public. The magazine should appeal to a wide variety of folks, from casual product users to weekend warriors to the elite amateur detailers. I think the information in the magazine will help inform and entertain a huge group of car enthusiasts looking to cut thru the BS and hype that grows like kudzu on dozens of internet chat rooms.
Personally, I don't think there will be anything in the magazine that will be revolutionary for Autopians. We discuss and kvtech over the most minute detail of all the boutique products in the market and blow off the rest.
I do have two requests:
(1) Buy the magazine, if only to show support for the idea and hard work that went into producing it. Trust me, no one is getting rich and famous from its production.
(2) If you do buy the magazine, show a little respect by not revealing every last bit of information, if for no other reason than to protect the integrity of the magazine itself.
Anyway, these are my thoughts and views on the matter. I was a big supporter of thewaxtest.com from the moment it was launched and I still support it today. Just like I support the purchase of David's Autopia Guide To Detailing and my support of Autopia sponsors. It all boils down to respect. I encourage all of you to show some.
All my love,
- - Bret - -
William420
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bretfraz said:I do have two requests:
(1) Buy the magazine, if only to show support for the idea and hard work that went into producing it. Trust me, no one is getting rich and famous from its production.
(2) If you do buy the magazine, show a little respect by not revealing every last bit of information, if for no other reason than to protect the integrity of the magazine itself.
- - Bret - -
Very well said Bret. I doubt anyone else can say this better. Your two requests are exactly what I intend on doing. I agree most of the information will probably not be revolutionary for Autopians, but I do believe $15 would be well worth it for all the 46 waxes tested.
Taken from thewaxtest.org
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As an enthusiast, former pro detailer, and internet chat room combatant, I applaud your effort and energy exerted towards a definitive evaluation of modern car care products. Much has been written and more has been said, but few have ever taken the time to conduct a fair test. You deserve a big high-five and drinks on the house. I'll be looking forward to additional info and reviews.
- Bret
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Is this the Bret we know and love?
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As an enthusiast, former pro detailer, and internet chat room combatant, I applaud your effort and energy exerted towards a definitive evaluation of modern car care products. Much has been written and more has been said, but few have ever taken the time to conduct a fair test. You deserve a big high-five and drinks on the house. I'll be looking forward to additional info and reviews.
- Bret
_________________________________________________
Is this the Bret we know and love?
jerry@robs
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I totally agree...
There will always be a commotion when something free became something paid... I once said something harse and unreasonable to DavidB when I purchased the ebook... This is the same thing... The efforts of individuals to provide valuable information to the general public based on their opinions and hard work shouldn't be bashed upon even if he decides to request for a fee for his efforts.
If 15 bucks is too much, then don't get it... like what the previous poster said, if you know what wax works for you, none of the reports will matter to you... Not all car owners are as knowledgable to products as most Autopians, neither are there consumers who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars in products just to "see if it works for me"... For every knowledgeable car owner, there are at least 20 car owners who doesn't know between a polish and a wax...
Just my 2c...
There will always be a commotion when something free became something paid... I once said something harse and unreasonable to DavidB when I purchased the ebook... This is the same thing... The efforts of individuals to provide valuable information to the general public based on their opinions and hard work shouldn't be bashed upon even if he decides to request for a fee for his efforts.
If 15 bucks is too much, then don't get it... like what the previous poster said, if you know what wax works for you, none of the reports will matter to you... Not all car owners are as knowledgable to products as most Autopians, neither are there consumers who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars in products just to "see if it works for me"... For every knowledgeable car owner, there are at least 20 car owners who doesn't know between a polish and a wax...
Just my 2c...
imported_BretFraz
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SoTex said:
Yep, that's me.
I wrote that to thewaxtest.com guys right after I discovered the site. Someone at Edmunds.com posted a link to thewaxtest.com and I was thrilled to see that someone had finally taken the bull by the horns and tried to make sense of all the claims out there. I wrote that long before I was a regular poster here on Autopia.
imported_Intermezzo
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Intel486 said:
Well that would make sense, considering how they all have close business ties with Autoint. You say Autoint should represent their company better? Well, it seems all those companies Showroom named weren't as anal about it as you are. I sincerely hope Showroom starts picking up the ways and knowledge held over by the people at Autoint....because then I and the rest of us Autopians will have the opportunity to learn that much more about detailing.
I'm relatively new here, so feel free to correct me, but here's my understanding of the "big picture"...
The folks at TheWaxTest.com were faced by multiple lawsuits. The manufacturers didn't like results and sued them. They weren't making any money from the site and were going to have to defend themselves in court - and that costs money!
Their lawyers said that they were clearly protected by the First Amendment but they'd still face large legal fees to defend themselves in court. In addition, they'd also face travel costs because the lawsuits were filed out of state.
Due to all these factors, they shut down their website.
I imagine that a good portion of the money these guys make is going into savings to cover their inevitable legal costs.
I've had personal experience with these types of situations.
Once I was standing on the sidewalk on county owned property holding a sign that read, "Trigger locks are a rapist's best friend". This was my effort to protest a public hearing on the subject in a nearby building. I was not talking/shouting, marching, inhibiting the flow of pedestrians, using a megaphone, etc. I was just holding the sign so that pedestrians and passing cars could read the sign.
A police officer (who obviously didn't like my message) promptly asked if I had a permit to peacefully protest. I said I didn't have one and didn't know I needed one. He responded that in Westchester County, New York, you need a permit to peacefully protest on county land. Then he told me that if I didn't leave the area IMMEDIATELY, I would be arrested.
While I certainly know my rights under the Constitution and would LOVE to have this type of unconstitutional law thrown out, I didn't know all the facts surrounding this situation or if others had been unsuccessful about challenging the law, etc. I chose to leave.
Over the next week, I investigated the situation only to find out the officer was correct. By law, I needed a permit to protest. But it gets worse. Permits are free and granted to virtually anyone, but they take three weeks to process! To stop protestors, the county schedules public hearings two weeks in advance. Sure you can file for a permit to protest at that event, but it won't be processed until a week after the hearing. That's why there aren't any protestors outside public hearings. That is - unless the police like your message.
The folks at TheWaxTest.com were faced by multiple lawsuits. The manufacturers didn't like results and sued them. They weren't making any money from the site and were going to have to defend themselves in court - and that costs money!
Their lawyers said that they were clearly protected by the First Amendment but they'd still face large legal fees to defend themselves in court. In addition, they'd also face travel costs because the lawsuits were filed out of state.
Due to all these factors, they shut down their website.
I imagine that a good portion of the money these guys make is going into savings to cover their inevitable legal costs.
I've had personal experience with these types of situations.
Once I was standing on the sidewalk on county owned property holding a sign that read, "Trigger locks are a rapist's best friend". This was my effort to protest a public hearing on the subject in a nearby building. I was not talking/shouting, marching, inhibiting the flow of pedestrians, using a megaphone, etc. I was just holding the sign so that pedestrians and passing cars could read the sign.
A police officer (who obviously didn't like my message) promptly asked if I had a permit to peacefully protest. I said I didn't have one and didn't know I needed one. He responded that in Westchester County, New York, you need a permit to peacefully protest on county land. Then he told me that if I didn't leave the area IMMEDIATELY, I would be arrested.
While I certainly know my rights under the Constitution and would LOVE to have this type of unconstitutional law thrown out, I didn't know all the facts surrounding this situation or if others had been unsuccessful about challenging the law, etc. I chose to leave.
Over the next week, I investigated the situation only to find out the officer was correct. By law, I needed a permit to protest. But it gets worse. Permits are free and granted to virtually anyone, but they take three weeks to process! To stop protestors, the county schedules public hearings two weeks in advance. Sure you can file for a permit to protest at that event, but it won't be processed until a week after the hearing. That's why there aren't any protestors outside public hearings. That is - unless the police like your message.
The FACT of this matter is that if you want to support this magazine doso if not nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy it.Something once free and now charging really annoys a lot of people because they always thought it would be free.If you belong to this board you probley wont agree with the results anywayMOST OF US KNOW MORE THEN THEM so it doesnt matter. I give a HIGH 5 to BRETT for his words of wisdom, he is totally right I think they call it FREE ENTERPRIZE