The ultimate detailer???

jsatek said:
A lot of you are thinking too small. You are thinking more like a worker and not like an owner. That video is not an instructional video on how to clean a car.



I own a home remodeling business - I have never cut a piece of wood or hammered a nail on one of my jobs. I sell kitchens that average at $50,000 and I could give the person paying for it enough info to be completely sold on using my company. I couldnt compete the work myself though. My staff tells me things like, " I used 6 screws in that cabinet", and "I used mahogony shims to line up those cabines" - the customer simply doesnt care. If I wore the customer out with those details, they wouldnt use me. The people are buying the fact that I can schedule and manage the team that does the work. I schedule the project, I present the dependencies, I execute the agreed upon plan. Thats all. They see videos and pictures of the end results I produce and they are happy.



Too much info is sometimes not good for business.



Agree 110%

When I started reading posts on this “Professional Forum� I assumed most of the listros responding are Pro’s with a full time business. I would say most are young enthusiasts or single owner / operator business. Not a issue although I have to keep that in-mind when responding. This Forum is more of a hands-on attitude!!!
 
There isn't much of an argument against him on the business side of it. However, Autopia has a lot of hobbyists on it as well...
 
SVR said:
Geez I'm certainly not impressed with that video I just watches

The washing was the main part and also the way he uses the microfibre, all scrunched up



Noticed he was using sonus ultra fine clay, I love that stuff.





... washing in the sun :hm

... using a sponge!? :scared:

... Sonus bucket and clay :bigups
 
saw the video, what brand of backing plate is he using? most of the rotary backing plates are low profile.



thanks!

netZ
 
Yeah I noticed that too, it seems that alot of the british use plastic high profile plates

I'm still using the standard backing plate that came with the 9227 machine

Works fine
 
jsatek said:
A lot of you are thinking too small. You are thinking more like a worker and not like an owner. That video is not an instructional video on how to clean a car.



Too much info is sometimes not good for business.



I am with you.
 
If you watch the video clip again, notice that Fifth Gear mentioned that he's the "World's Best Car Cleaner". Car cleaner? Hmm...sounds like conventional car wash to me - as long as it's clean. I guess he's not facing many competitors around in UK, that's why he dares to do such marketing. I think most of the Autopians could do much better job, considering most of us are detailing daily drivers. That's my opinion... ;)
 
Dear All,



Paul Dalton of Miracle Detail seems to have created a bit of a stir, so I thought I'd better try and answer a few questions. Starting with why he's not posting himself!



Basically, it's because Paul is extremely busy (detailing and correcting the paintwork of cars, as you may expect) doing 10-12 hours - with a long waiting list meaning little free time even at weekends. So he cannot post on detailing forums as much as he would like. However, he does read them because of his professional interest in detailing.



Therefore, I would like to step in as his marketing/PR guy and 1) explain a bit about the Fifth Gear feature, and 2) try and act as a conduit for any questions you may have for Paul. I will answer them as well as I can, but please bear with me as I am not a detailer myself. I am just as likely to get my terminology wrong as you would talking to me about a 'six page roll-fold in a C5 outer'



Firstly, Fifth Gear.



Fifth Gear were poised to do a feature on Paul before we launched his '5k car wash' service in a bid to raise his profile, establish his credential as a leading detailer in the UK (and beyond) and also spread the 'detailing gospel'. Remember that all publicity for Paul indirectly benefits all professional detailers. I have first hand evidence of other detailers being asked for a similar service to Paul's 5k car wash (normally for less money, as you would expect!).



The Fifth Gear feature, and subsequent mass-media coverage, required Paul's services to be simplified for a mainstream audience. These are people who don't know what a clay bar is and they would think two buckets wholly impractical. They are your mums, dads, girlfriends and 'non-believing' mates. Washing up liquid and a gritty sponge is their car care equipment of choice.



Therefore, the shoot for Fifth Gear was broken down into 'basic stages' and was not completely representative of what Paul does to a client's car. It is about as real as the film Titanic was... dramatising a true story so that everyone 'gets' it, but the details may be slightly different or inaccurate. Leonardo Di Caprio never floated away on an iceberg in real life!



So... two buckets and grit guards. Paul uses multiple buckets for client cars and uses grit guards. For the shoot he used one bucket with a grit guard because the car had been thoroughly detailed prior to the shoot. In effect, he was washing a clean car, for the benefit of the cameras.



As for Zymol Royale, at the time of this shoot, Paul was one of two to three detailers in the UK with Zymol Royale. There are now a few more. The reason for any inaccuracies is due to the time difference between shoot and broadcast date; a period of a couple of months.



Secondly, Paul would like to thank everyone for their interest and support. He has been a bit dismayed about some of the negative comments, especially from those who think he is a guy swanning around with loads of money, 'ripping people off' or who can't detail cars properly! So to address those issues quickly.



'Loadsamoney'? Nope, Paul's 5k car wash is a genuine service but for obvious reasons is a rarity... demand is currently just 1-2 of these per year and as it is based on Paul's hourly rate he doesn't earn any more from this as from a day to day full order book. Normal detailing/paint correction comes in at about 300-600 GBP per car. If it saves a respray or helps a car sell for top money then it's good value. And it's not as if you need him to come over every week.



'A rip off'? Not really. Paul charges 75 GBP plus VAT per hour, which is expensive compared to some detailers, admittedly, but he has invested heavily in his business (Merc van, 4k paint depth gauges, 7k Royale) and has formidable paint correction skills. In the UK, a main dealer charges you 100 GBP plus VAT per hour for an oil and filter change, and an average plumber charges you in the high sixties. So is Paul really pricey when working on the cars that he does? Paul's one of the top few detailers in the UK, if not the world, and I bet your plumber wouldn't be top of the same plumber's league.



'Can't detail cars properly'? What the papers/TV say, surprise, surprise, isn't always that close to reality. It is repackaged, reprocessed and regurgitated for a mass audience. 'Australian microfibre towels and filtered water' were reported third hand by one magazine as 'filtered water imported from Australia'. Quite different and a bit silly. Suffice to say, Paul has 13 years of experience, details cars to extremely high levels and is proud of his professionalism. If he was dropping his sponge on the floor every five minutes, he wouldn't get near a Veyron, would he? The results, his client list and order book show that he is doing something right - and it's not just my marketing, even if I would like to claim that it was, LOL.



Thanks for reading all this and I hope it has given you an insight into the mysterious Paul Dalton. He isn't 'above' contributing forums, he just doesn't have the time. But I will try and log in every now and again, time permitting, of course.



For those interested in Paul's work, you can see his galleries on his website at www.miracledetail.co.uk
 
A very balanced article, thanks for posting here (and detailing world) Paul has used his undoubted skills to build a high quality reputation which leads to his ability to earn good (but as you rightly point out) not excessive money - and as far as I am concerned good luck to him.



It is disappointing to see negative comments, many I suspect may be driven by jealousy, but Paul has built his business its up to each individual to do the same.



As you have said elsewhere the publicity Paul has achieved recently has actually done all detailers good, especially in the UK where the average motorist wouldnt recognise a swirl if it jumped up and bit them - and we all owe Paul our thanks for that!!!



Welcome to the detailing forums, I hope you (and maybe Paul) will be able to look in now and again.



(Dont suppose you fancy being MY agent???? :chuckle: )



(m500dpp) on DW
 
Hi Dave,



Thanks for your reply. As you say, if people knew what a swirl mark actually was detailers would be rushed off their feet; I imagine 99% of cars in the UK need some form of paint correction.



Conflict of interests prevents me working for another detailer at his level, but if Paul grows Miracle Detail to be some sort of league of super detailers, then maybe you could join us :)



Rgds

MA
 
How can one justify paying $5,000.00 for a tub of wax? There is nothing special about that wax. It's the same chemical, waxes and solvents available to every other car wax maker. Sure one maker may tweak things from another, add more wetting agents, more carnauba, less of this or that, etc. but as a pro myself I would never pay over $50 for a GALLON of cream wax. I could never tell a client, "Hey this wax cost me $5,000.00. It will really shine and protect your car far better than this $30 tub of wax!" The reason I could never say that is because it's a LIE.



Now if the client wants that wax and is willing to pay that much money for me to apply it...I'm all for that BUT I could only do so if my client was aware that there's nothing special about it. Does Paul tell his clients this wax is no better than a tub of any other high end wax or does he actually sell them on this wax being special and if so just what does he tell them?



You guys have done a great job in the marketing department, my hats off to you. Nice to see one of us detailers making a name for themselves.



Anthony
 
'Loadsamoney'? Nope, Paul's 5k car wash is a genuine service but for obvious reasons is a rarity... demand is currently just 1-2 of these per year and as it is based on Paul's hourly rate he doesn't earn any more from this as from a day to day full order book.



Awesome! Most I have charged is $1600 for a detail. We charged our labor rate and thats what it came out to. It took two of us almost a day and 1/2 to complete. :nixweiss
 
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