The Cost of Oil

If you were in charge, what would you focus on to fix our energy problems?

  • Boosting oil production

    Votes: 12 28.6%
  • Making Iraq pay us in oil for their liberation

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • Biodiesel and Ethanol

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Solar Energy

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Wind Power

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • Ocean Tides

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Hydroelectric

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Other, Please enlighten us

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Total voters
    42
As to the demise of R 12 do you suppose that had anything to do with the fact that the patent ran out on it and China was starting to import it really cheap.
DuPont comes out with R134 convinces congress to outlaw R12 and now they get 11 bucks for a small can of it. HOW CONVENIENT.
Possibly, but not necessarily true. The DuPont patent was for the product referred to as "Freon" and several other manufacturers made CFC refrigerants. Atofina Chemicals (formerly Elf Atochem), Ineos Fluor (formerly ICI Klea) and Honeywell (formerly Allied Chemical and Allied-Signal) were all major vendors of R-12.
Given that patents are good for 20 years and the original patents were issued in 1931 through 1934 to various individuals for versions of CFC refrigerants, the patents would have expired in the 50's.
The trade mark "Freon" was granted to Kinetic Chemicals, Inc. of Wilmington, Delaware in 1931. Kinetic Chemicals became E. I. du Pont De Nemours and Company.
The Allied Chemical R12 product was sold starting in 1946 and in 1951 they were awarded the trademark "Genetron" for their CFC's.
The fact that four major manufacturers were competing with CFC's is probably the only thing that kept DuPont from ripping the public in those years.
 
The dollar has been tied to oil since Kissinger, who was our Secretary of State during the Nixon administration, got the Saudi's to base their oil on the US dollar. Which ...coincidentally... is exactly the thought of the major oil companies of the sixties. This whole energy setup is a planned thing by a few very rich, very powerful, and very controling individual corporations working in union to obtain the bottom line....MONEY. The profits of these companies are more important than any country's economy. Since the product that these corporations deal with(oil) is the currency and if they are the only one with the currency(oil) they will reap astronomical profits now and even more in the future.

As someone who has worked on at off for over thirty years in Alaska's oil patch I have heard a few good stories about the production of the North Slope and the surrounding areas. Some say there is more oil in Alaska's North country than all of the OPEC producers. Others say equipment is wearing out and the wells are running dry.

I did not see more oil but that does not mean that it is not there. There is nothing "old" up there. Systems wear out but old is not in the equation. They replace everything to keep it working. Working means money. Breakdowns cost the bottomline. New means uninterupted profits. New means tax benefits somewhere along the line. When it gets bad enough what do you want to bet that there is at least one new ultimate find left in the oil company bag of tricks. Just about the time that the world thinks it will freeze in the dark someone will find a source to exploit.... to feed the corporate bottom line.

I do not know the veracity of any of these stories but there is a hint of truth in every good lie. Also the temerity of many corporate heads of the past showed no bounds as to their corporate greed so I see no reason at this point in time to believe that the present leaders are not falling into what ever grand plan that already has been cast.
 
I always liked the saying "If Exxon owned the sun, we would be using lot more solar energy". It is one giant nuclear power plant.
 
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