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I have been lurking around here, off and on, for a while. I have been detailing my own cars, and some for profit, for more than 40 years. I have yet to find a product (wax, synthetic, glaze, whatever) that last for more than a few heavy rains and/or washings.



As I am getting older and have seven cars, only three of which are garaged, I need a product that will last a long time. I am not really worried about having the "ultimate" shine, just a product that works, lasts, and produces no swirls. What do the pros on this board recommed?



Thanks,



R
 
Oh man, huge can of worms this one is.



I really don't know too many of them, Collonite 476 is a good one for wax. For sealants, JW Acryllic Jett, Zaino, Klasse, uh.. there is more but I can't remember. :help:
 
Yea, you opened a HUGE can of worms here!



Your looking for a durable product that shines as well as protects for a LONG time. I would seriously consider Zaino. His products are a bit expensive but they look great and they last forever.



I would get Z2Pro, it looks really nice on most cars.



You could also go with Optimum Opti Seal, that should last you a good 3-6 months (depending on.........) and it looks stunning as well.



Jim
 
Spray waxes can provide you with good protection, with every wash. Your going to dry it anyway, why not spray a little protection before you dry it?

A few I could mention off the top of my head would be Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection Spray, which provides better protection then most Nubas I have used. Optimum Car Wax Spray, Duragloss AquaWax. If I had to pick one, it would probably be the Four Star. I know others will bring there advice as well......
 
Bigpoppa3346 said:
You will get a ton of answers. I like Collinite for its nice looks, easy application/removal, and durability.
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I'll second that, though I haven't had it long enough to prove the durability myself. It is said to be the most durable of carnubas, and the beading is fantastic! I have the 845 IW. It's easy on the black trim too.
 
I'm very happy with the Chemical Guys' M-Seal so far. Did my friends car which is parked outside and is his daily driver and that stuff is still working strong after almost a month. But from what I've been reading here, Jet Seal is supposed to be even better. But that's some expen$ive stuff.
 
ran said:
.. I have yet to find a product (wax, synthetic, glaze, whatever) that last for more than a few heavy rains and/or washings.



As I am getting older and have seven cars, only three of which are garaged, I need a product that will last a long time...
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I'm in kinda the same boat except that all of mine are garaged (and I'm gonna sell off a few..really! I mean it!).



I get stellar durability out of Klasse SG (when layered, 4-6 layers) and Collinite 476S. But the Klasse only looks good on finishes that I get/keep basically *perfect* as it allows every little flaw to show. So my hands-down recommendation would be Collinite 476S.



I put a few coats of 476S on the Blazer last year, last one in Sept. It didn't *really* need rewaxed when I put on another coat in late May. But again, it's garaged. I didn't get quite as good durability when I used it on an outside 24/7 car, but it would still last all winter. Actually, the outside car did great with the 476S, come to think about it (this was a few years ago).



The KSGx6 lasts a lot longer, but that "perfect finish" is a pretty tall order.
 
Thanks for the replies.



You know, I have used some of the ones mentioned, including Klasse AIO on my new Lincoln LS, and found that it doesn't last very long at all.



A few years ago I found a Turtle Wax paste made in the UK at a general discount store for $1.99 each, and bought a few. It is in a bright green (Kawasaki?) plastic container, and came with an applicator. I have used it exclusively on my daily driver "01 Jimmy about twice a year and it still looks great. I have also used it on a few customer/neighbor cars with a Porter-Cable, and they raved about the shine! Kind of makes me call BS on the wwhole damn thing.
 
If Turtle Wax works for you stick with it, no doubt someone, somewhere will stock it (you can't move for the bloody stuff in the UK).



I would try Collonite 476s though, it's cheap, looks good & lasts as long as anything. Ultimately you stand to lose a few bucks if you don't like it but it could just be a revelation for you.
 
ran said:
You know, I have used some of the ones mentioned, including Klasse AIO on my new Lincoln LS, and found that it doesn't last very long at all..
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Yeah, AIO by itself is good for a few weeks at best in my experience. Other than when experimenting, I'd *never* use it by itself.
 
Just to chime in here I myself have not used them but I have heard great things about the duragloss brand of products .Cheap and you can pick them up from a carquest or Napa autoparts store
 
As others have mentioned you will get many different opinions as everyone has a favorite. I'm in the same boat as you in that I've been doing this for 40 years and would rather be spending my time on the golf course or the ski slopes, but want my cars to look as good as the day they came from the dealer. From a durability stand point I don't think you can go wrong with Zaino products-I put on one coat of ZAIO, one or two coats of Z2 or Z5 (Z5 looks better on dark colors) and then a coat of ZCS. That process can be done all in one day and lasts a good 6 months, but I usually add another coat of Z2 and ZCS every 2 or 3 months to build up protection to get me through the New England winters. From everything I've read on this and other forums the Duragloss products perform almost as well as Zaino products regarding durability, but are allot less expensive and you can buy them OTC. As my Z products are used up I'm switching over to DG--so far have only used the Car Wash Concentrate and it is actually better than Zaino wash IMO.
 
all the products mentioned are all great products, i know i've used them all. if your looking for something that will last a long time and give a great shine try cg's blitz spray sealant. 2 coats will last for months. it's so easy to use, just spray your applicator, spread a thin coat, let haze wipe off, repeat process next day. i did my mom's car about 3 months ago and it's still beading like i just put it on yesterday. when you feel like just put more coats on it layers well. for added bling top it with your favorite wax.:buffing:
 
I know some will disagree with me but I have gotten great durability out of these



Fireglaze Double Strength pro polish x 2 coats.

Jeff's Werkstatt Prime and Acrylic Jett

Collinite 915 over any sealant

Glare Infinity Plus

Driven to Perfection Auto Polish & sealant over Duragloss 601



Anything from ten months to 15 months from Fireglaze and without any QD or spray sealant. Just a wash with driven protective shampoo.



Some over here say Autosmart Silver seal is the best of all polymer sealants.

I'm testing some epoxy and quartz based sealants shortly. The dealer for the quartz one is coming from sydney soon to demo the stuff.

Have yet to try PPS or Clear shield yet but will do at some stage just for the hell of it.



Any sealer that is not water soluble lasts longer. That's been my unbiased experience
 
ran said:
As I am getting older and have seven cars, only three of which are garaged, I need a product that will last a long time.
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If you want durability, and you have seven cars to deal with.......



I would recommend Zaino products first.....They are as good as it gets.......





With the cost of owning and maintaning that many vehicles, a good paint sealant is in your best interest. Insurance and gas alone aren't cheap these days......



Take a look......:xyxthumbs



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I dunno about sealants for this situation. I'm mighty careful about how I keep my cars (wash techniques, etc.) but I have enough trouble keeping just two of them nice enough for sealants. Sealants are just *so* unforgiving of imperfect prep...one momentary lapse during a wash and you gotta repolish. Not what I'd want to deal with on vehicles that aren't even garaged regularly.



Besides the job of getting numerous vehicles utterly marring-free, keeping them that way for months/years at a time would be a mighty tall order. Carnauba-based approaches seem a bit more forgiving of the sort of minor marring that most normal people don't see anyhow.



Plus, gettig back to the parked-outside bit, some of us have found that carnaubas are surprisingly good at protecting against environmental hazards, often outperforming the sealants that's we'd expected to be far superior.
 
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