Terry Schiavo

Did anyone see South Park tonight? They managed to work in Sony PSP and Terri Schiavo's case in tonight's episode. :lol
 
No offense to you if you enjoy it, but gosh do I HATE that show. It has overstayed its welcome on TV, as have the Simpsons, and I used to be totally devoted to that show.
 
I'm sad to see today that Terry has passed. :(



I can't help but think the judicial system made a huge mistake on this one. Hopefully we will get some answers from the autopsy.



Michael Schiavo, the scumbag, did not allow her parents and family to see her final moments. :mad:
 
This is a sad day in America, or should I say Germany? This is a day where the government has failed. This is a day where the courts have failed. Why have the courts ignored the affidavit of Heidi Law and Carla Sauer, former caregivers for Terry? Why have the courts ignored Dr. Hannesfahr's report about Terry being in a minimally conscious state rather than in a vegetative state, and that she may be aware of pain beyond what could be explained by simple reflex withdrawal?



Congradulations liberals and Michael, you got your way. I hope you feel good about killing an innocent human being. I hope you feel good that you couldn't even let her own parents see Terry in her final moments. I hope you feel good that 7-8 year old children and adults were getting arrested for simply trying to help Terry. I hope you feel good about needing to have police guard Terry's door for fear of someone giving her water during her last days. DO YOU FEEL GOOD?
 
I live in Pinellas County. Its a sad day. There is a lot of devastation here.



A family has watched their daughter's life end on the basis of a conversation that was allegedly had by two people in their early 20's. Sorry, but I'm not buying that argument.



Michael is not a man who is sad about losing his wife...he's actually relieved and will now continue his new life which he started many years ago.



One thing I will say; I don't think that Judge Greer will be re-elected next time his name is up. Unfortunately, not enough of us voted for "the other guy" last election.



Don't be distracted by the arguments for everyone on the planet rushing out and getting a Living Will. The fact is that a woman was forced to die. Don't believe for one second that she was euphoric during the past 13 days. If anyone gets a chapped lip, we rush out to buy some Burt's Bees...do we do this because the euphoria from the chapped lip is just too good? Kidney failure and complete dehydration do not seem like a good way to spend your weekend either, does it?



Also, don't believe some of the national media hype about how locals feel about this situation. In a nutshell, we're about 95% vs 5% on the side of Terri's parents.



Also, major accolades to all of you who have discussed this topic. Debate is healthy...but is it euphoric?
 
Now "Liberals" are responsible for "killing" Terry? Why do people feel the need to spread hate like that? People who suport Michael Schiavo did not want to 'kill' Terry. Those are your words or the words you've been fed by your conservative media sources or religious leaders.



I am sad to hear about Terry's death. But, she is in a better place if you beleive in that sort of thing. I think we shold all rest easy knowing that.
 
Scott P said:
Now "Liberals" are responsible for "killing" Terry? Why do people feel the need to spread hate like that? People who suport Michael Schiavo did not want to 'kill' Terry. Those are your words or the words you've been fed by your conservative media sources or religious leaders.



I am sad to hear about Terry's death. But, she is in a better place if you beleive in that sort of thing. I think we shold all rest easy knowing that.
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:xyxthumbs - Agreed. And this is coming from someone (me) who voted for Bush. Call me a conservative Democrat if I need to be labeled by anyone.



It's his social issue stances that make me weak in the knees.



What bugs me is that any ruling that disagrees with conservatives become "activist judges" or "legislating from the bench." There are plenty of looney tune judges on both sides of the aisle :p



Hopefully this issue will be brought up in the next elections including the Presidential one with referendums on the ballot, so the people can vote on it.



Uh, regarding your 95% to 5% scientific poll:



Pinellas Park, FL -- One of the few polls related to the plight of Terri Schiavo was released on Sunday and it shows that a strong majority of Florida residents are opposed to Terri's Law, the legislation allowed Governor Jeb Bush to ask doctors to reinsert her feeding tube and save her life.



Conducted by The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times newspapers, the poll showed that 65 percent of Flordians said they opposed the law while 23 percent favored it. Some 12 percent were undecided or didn't answer.



Respondents were asked: "As you may be aware, Governor Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature recently passed a law enabling the governor to order that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted, after a judge concluded she was in a persistent vegetative state and ordered the feeding tube to be removed. Do you agree or disagree with this decision by the governor and the legislature?"
 
"What bugs me is that any ruling that disagrees with conservatives become "activist judges" or "legislating from the bench.""



I politely disagree. Judges are acting as activists when they supersede a state and federal legislature. Our Constitution provides for equal power among the branches of government...in this case, the judiciary acted arrogantly and pretended to be superior to the legislative branch.
 
SilverLexus said:
I politely disagree. Judges are acting as activists when they supersede a state and federal legislature. Our Constitution provides for equal power among the branches of government...in this case, the judiciary acted arrogantly and pretended to be superior to the legislative branch.
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I guess that's why the Supreme Court decided not to hear the case.



Your logic is the EXACT reason WHY the Supreme Court hears cases or any court going up the ladder to the Supreme Court.



Have you read their rulings? On what basis do you conclude that their decisions were rendered based on "arrogance" and "superiority"? That sounds like typical conservative drivel coming from the likes of that pumpkin head Sean Hannity.



Their rulings are based on the Constitutionality of the case and previous court cases that they site as reasoning for their decisions. Read their opinions to learn what they said - I did.



What is arrogant (and scary) is the legislative branch getting involved on a personal level for a single individual (most likely for political purposes as was shown by that internal Republican document from Rep. Tom Delay.) That does not happen and starts a dangerous precedent for future events.



Nice 2 page article on msnbc.com. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7289351/?GT1=6305

Written by Arthur Caplan, Ph.D. Director of Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. Pretty well rounded guy
 
im glad she's gone, tired of hearing about these people whine



oh and to the people who are complaing about the legislature NOT butting in again, you are wrong.



how would you feel if you just got aquitted of a crime and the state did not like that, so they go back and change the law so they could try you again to convict you? its the same concept. they are not supposed to butt in on stuff like this
 
LouisanaJeeper said:
how would you feel if you just got aquitted of a crime and the state did not like that, so they go back and change the law so they could try you again to convict you? its the same concept. they are not supposed to butt in on stuff like this
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Is that allowed? :nixweiss I thought if you are AQUITTED, then you can not be tried again in a criminal (not civil) case because that's double jeopardy.



Maybe I'm wrong. Didn't mean to change the subject.
 
Yeah, I agree. People should be concerned that legislature and even the President of this country tried to step in on a personal level in a family matter. Now that it's over how concerned do you think they'll be with this issue? Also, people were not arrested for "simply trying to help Terri". That is crap. It's called trespassing, and it is a crime. If you had a relative in a hospice would you want any moron with a cup of "water" let into their room to "help" them?? I should hope not. One guy was arrested with a gun and said he was going to the hospice to "take action". Who is the crazier side on this issue? The people that wanted to "help" Terri only succeeded in frightening those of us who cherish our individual privacy and personal rights. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. We have homeless people, hungry children, abused and exploited children, and on and on, and they sit on Capitol Hill legislating for one woman in Florida!!?? This is not what we vote for folks, and if it IS what you vote for then do me a favor and lay out of the next election because I don't want your ideals legislated into MY life.
 
All I know is I wouldn't want a spouse that has made a new life with another man making a life or death decision for me.
 
Scott P said:
Now "Liberals" are responsible for "killing" Terry? Why do people feel the need to spread hate like that? People who suport Michael Schiavo did not want to 'kill' Terry. Those are your words or the words you've been fed by your conservative media sources or religious leaders.



I am sad to hear about Terry's death. But, she is in a better place if you beleive in that sort of thing. I think we shold all rest easy knowing that.
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Let me say this again: Congradulations liberals and Michael, you got your way. Where did I specificaly say that liberals are responsible for killing her? I didn't. All I'm saying is people like George Felos, Michael's lawyer got their way. Oh, do you honestly think that George Felos isn't a liberal? Look at his track record.

Also, why was it that maybe half of the democrats weren't present when congress took that special vote that Bush signed last week?



As far as your comments about my conservative media sources or religious leaders let me say this: I don't see you backing up your thoughts about this issue as I have. I have given source after source (meaning links) to make people think about what is actually going on in this case.



I don't want to argue with you Scott or anyone for that matter. So far I appreciate the good debate. I would love to talk to you or anyone else for that matter if you PM me.
 
Hey III. Not to argue with you, but your links have supported YOUR argument. It's great that you provide support for what you believe because there's nothing worse than debating a point with someone who can't support their thoughts. However, when one is a proponent of a particular side of an issue their support is inherently biased. So whether or not one is liberal or conservative really doesn't matter if they just don't care to agree with one's views.
 
Scottwax said:
You must not have seen last season. The cutting edge they had in the beginning was back with a vengence.
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Passion of the Jew was one of my all time favorite episodes :lol :rofl :LOLOL
 
III said:
I have given source after source (meaning links) to make people think about what is actually going on in this case.
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You gave a link to the Village Voice. Have you ever read a copy of the Voice? I'm not being argumentative here.



It's a free newspaper in here in NY City. I see them all over and read it from time to time.



I'll mail you a copy. If you have a child, don't let them look at it. If anyone is in the market for a transexual escort or a dominatrix, this is your paper! :rofl PAGES and pages of classified.



It's the Village Voice as in Greenwich Village, the lions den of Left wing, Liberal, "alternative" lifestyles, etc...



I just found it funny you sited them. If I have any idea of your political persuasion, you'd be repulsed by it :p



Also, you talk about George Felos being liberal, I'm listening to Larry King right now and watching the Schiavo family attorney talk about how Jesus died on the cross for "our" sins. :hm think he has an agenda too?
 
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