Terry Schiavo

III said:
You're correct that's it's easy to judge others and that I'm not in his shoes. The $10 million doesn't really mean anything. Why is it alleged that Michael withheld treatment for Terry years ago when she was in the Hospital? Why did Michael want doctors to do nothing about Terry's urinary tract infection years ago? Why are there reports of nurses saying they heard Michael say when will this bi&%* die when he walked into the hospital room? Why are there reports of nurses saying that when they would mark improving in their charts, the charts were gone the next day? Some things just don't add up in this case.
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What are your sources on those quotes?
 
My sources are based on factual information. I work in the media and I have access to all the info I need to base my statements. Are you doubting my info? Did you know that one of the nurses that cared for Terry years ago was let go from the hospital? Why do you think this was? Because she would mark in her charts that Terry was improving and responding and when she told her supervisors this they didn't want to hear it. Perhaps Michael had a close connection to the doctors and supervisors and there was a cover up? I don't know. All I know is what I've said before. This case just doesn't add up and until we get the facts straight, Terry should be allowed to live. People who have worked and helped Terry over the years know information that I believe Michael doesn't want to get out.



Also, please understand that I don't claim to know everything in this case. All I know is from what I've read and heard and from whom I've talked to. The nurse was just on the radio I believe a couple of days ago telling her story. I believe she was on CNN and Larry King also.
 
Not trying to argue with you. Simply asking your sources. I have heard none of those claims. So many people want her to live you know, but they're not the ones who would have to go there and care for her every day. She "lives" in a hospice, and I seriously doubt that anyone picketing outside that place would have the balls it would take to provide the type of care she needs. I just don't see how any of this is anyone's business but the family's.
 
"So many people want her to live you know, but they're not the ones who would have to go there and care for her every day."



This is what is frustrating...Her parents said they would take care of her and pay for it. So why won't Michael let them do it?



I think it is mostly the family's business but the nation has a right to be concerned because the law has been quick to decide her faith based on legal rulings more than presented medical evidence. Due to Michael's past behavior I believe it is wrong to rely solely on what he said she would have wanted, especially that her parents and friends say differently.
 
Tasty, I didn't mean me asking the question about doubting my info in a bad way. Since were typing and not actually hearing the tone in people's voices when they speak, it's easy to come across in a bad way. I was just wondering if you were doubting me that's all. Hey, you still can for all I care. Tasty, why do you think that you haven't heard about what I've said earlier? It's because parts the main street media doesn't want to say it or report it. Do you actually think you'll hear some of the statements I said on the 5:00 news? I doubt it.



Like I've said before, I respect the people who are on Michael's side. I obviously don't agree with the other side, but I'll listen to the views. If people haven't figured out by now, I'm very pro-life.

I don't expect people to agree with me, but I'll stand up for what I believe in.



I must say that so far this whole thread has been respectful and not gotton out of hand. I appreciate that because I know this is a very touchy issue and I think this shows just what kind of people we have here on autopia.
 
SilverLexus said:
I think it is mostly the family's business but the nation has a right to be concerned because the law has been quick to decide her faith based on legal rulings more than presented medical evidence.
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Uh, this legal battle has been going on for years. Courts and quick decisions are an oxymoron in our society.



I see people talking about her having emotions and making signs of communication. It looks as if she is smiling on those videos. She is not.



I have said it before, this woman LACKS a cerebral cortex. In its place currently, is an empty space filled with spinal fluid. You can look back at my previous post to see what this part of the brain does. You need to remove yourself of your emotions and understand medically what this means.



She will not recover. There is no cure. There is no transplant. There is no treatment to reverse this. It's as if I poked out your eyeballs and your parents said there is hope that you can someday regain your vision.



I spoke about this with my neighbor who is a neurologist. He indicates she would never recover. Those doctors who say there is hope FAR outway those who don't. And the doctor leading the charge in saying there is hope is a quack, sanctioned by the state of Florida and debunked on every level.



I would also (and I say this gently) look to examine the mental state of the parents. Often times parents in situations like these where something devastating has happened to a child, force themselves into believing there is hope and a chance when the sad, cold, medical reality PROVES otherwise. This sympton is discussed in any basic psychology text or class we all take as freshman in college. They just come to accept the truth.
 
SilverLexus said:
I think it is mostly the family's business but the nation has a right to be concerned because the law has been quick to decide her faith based on legal rulings more than presented medical evidence.
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Uh, this legal battle has been going on for years. Courts and quick decisions are an oxymoron in our society.



I see people talking about her having emotions and making signs of communication. It looks as if she is smiling on those videos. She is not.



I have said it before, this woman LACKS a cerebral cortex. In its place currently, is an empty space filled with spinal fluid. You can look back at my previous post to see what this part of the brain does. You need to remove yourself of your emotions and understand medically what this means.



She will not recover. There is no cure. There is no transplant. There is no treatment to reverse this. It's as if I poked out your eyeballs and your parents said there is hope that you can someday regain your vision.



I spoke about this with my neighbor who is a neurologist. He indicates she would never recover. Those doctors who say there is hope FAR outway those who don't. And the Fundamentalist doctor leading the charge in saying there is hope is a quack, sanctioned by the state of Florida and debunked on every level.



I would also (and I say this gently) look to examine the mental state of the parents. Often times parents in situations like these where something devastating has happened to a child, force themselves into believing there is hope and a chance when the sad, cold, medical reality PROVES otherwise. This sympton is discussed in any basic psychology text or class we all take as freshman in college.



Those folks protesting outside are delivering a strong religious message. The freedom of religion and expression are at the corner stone of this great country, BUT, someone's subjective, relative, religious opinion is not to be used by a doctor or a court as scientific, medical evidence in offering treatment or rendering a legal decision.



If you're a Christian, would you want a Hindu or a Muslim doctor interjecting their religious belief as a course of action to treat you in a life saving situation?



If Terry was a devoted Christian, who would rather be hooked up like this for the rest of her life than die, then I would say leave her alone. But this is not the case and the courts have decided after years of testimony and evidence that she would not like to live like this.
 
Well put Spilchy. And I agree III, healthy respectful debate is a good, enjoyable thing. All I have to say on the issue is I know what I would want done if it were me, and that is someone pull the plug. I don't want to ever just exist. If I can't live life to the fullest, then it is effectively over for me. I think people are polarized by this thing because of the right to die issue. It is someone's, everyone's right to die if they want to. If I knew I was going to die from ALS or something like that, I might seriously consider not wanting to live through such a terrible end to my life. The unfortunate part of this case is that Terry can't communicate what SHE wants to happen, and it does prove that living wills are important things. I read in the news the other day that there is a big surge in them currently because people want it known what their family should do if they should be in a similar situation.
 
Tasty said:
It is someone's, everyone's right to die if they want to.
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This might be a surprise, but I agree! However, if there was ever a slim chance for me to get better I would want that fighting chance, and I think Terry deserves this since we don't know 100% what she wants. Yes, I know that some doctors say she will never get better, but we don't know this 100% either. Doctors are not always right.
 
Maybe I can save the court system alot of money and time.



The big question is: Would Terry want to live like this- assuming there's no chance of recovery.



My question is: Who would?
 
"I have said it before, this woman LACKS a cerebral cortex. In its place currently, is an empty space filled with spinal fluid."



Those brain scans are 10 years old. They were not the definitive ones either. Medically speaking you need a full MRI or a PET scan to determine the quality of life Terri is living.
 
A bit off topic, but every 17 minutes someone dies because of drunk driving and it seems that majority of us DGAF.



People still drink and drive and it is so common that besides MADD it is a dead isssue for most. What about them? Or the soldiers in Iraq who are dying? Etc....



Each year 33 million people check out in the USA



Why is Terry such a big deal?



PS: III - the only reason she is *alive* is because we are playing ""god"". Nature or in your case god would have taken her home a long time ago.



You say you are pro life?You are slowly killing yourself by your food choices. People drink, SMOKE etc... do you try to fight those people so they can live longer or do you wait until they get cancers, liver/kidney damages and than you step in before someone pulls the plug? :D
 
tdekany said:
A bit off topic, but every 17 minutes someone dies because of drunk driving and it seems that majority of us DGAF.



People still drink and drive and it is so common that besides MADD it is a dead isssue for most. What about them? Or the soldiers in Iraq who are dying? Etc....



Each year 33 million people check out in the USA
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Point well taken. It's an issue only because of politics. Jeb Bush should NEVER have stepped in to this PERSONAL matter in the first place. You make some good points though. However, is it wrong to save a life with technology if it is possible? It's too hard to separate technology from the issue of prolonging life because the technology is so readily available. Should people die simply because that is what would happen in nature without assistance?
 
tdekany said:
PS: III - the only reason she is *alive* is because we are playing ""god"". Nature or in your case god would have taken her home a long time ago. D
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I agree. She is only alive by technology. Without it she would not have hung in there this long. It has been 15 years, If she was to get better it would have happened by now.



I am not disputing the possibilty of some *crooked* or sneaky things between her husband, the nurses, etc. as to why she should be allowed to live.



My bottom line IMO is her condition, I firmly believe if she was going to get better she would have within the last 15 years.
 
tdekany said:
You say you are pro life?You are slowly killing yourself by your food choices. People drink, SMOKE etc... do you try to fight those people so they can live longer or do you wait until they get cancers, liver/kidney damages and than you step in before someone pulls the plug? :D
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Point well taken. However I'm only one person. I simply cannot fight everything that's out there. Also, you don't know what I eat.



Here are some websites I would encourage people to visit and learn from about Terry Schiavo. Some of this you simply won't see the main street media report.



www.vcyamerica.org



www.theempirejournal.com



www.terrisfight.org
 
III said:
Point well taken. However I'm only one person. I simply cannot fight everything that's out there. Also, you don't know what I eat.



Here are some websites I would encourage people to visit and learn from about Terry Schiavo. Some of this you simply won't see the main street media report.



www.vcyamerica.org



www.theempirejournal.com



www.terrisfight.org
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VCY America is a Christian radio station. What you would "learn" about Terry would be grossly skewed to fit a religious agenda. The likes of the reports found here coincide with those people who stand outside the hospital, spewing their own versions of hate towards those who disagree. Just read some of those signs. I like the one that calls me the Devil.



terrisfight.org is obviously not objective.



What I loved about the theempirejournal.com site was a link to this looney tune's site http://www.rollye.net/index.html

For a moment, I thought she was a washed up porn star.

This site (Empire Journal) seems to be the most interesting to me. I found some informative articles to read.



What the "main street" media does including the cable networks, is to report in the most unbiased way (or at least tries to), the reality of what is occuring in this particular situation. You see both sides reported and debated on from all the view points.



We all have our "sources", especially on the Internet, that we find agreement with. With the onset of the Internet, anyone who can post a web page can post a view point, regardless of how outrageous it may be.
 
I found out yesterday that in an old interview with Larry King, Michael Schiavo said he was not sure what Terri would want as far as dying.



This raises real questions in my mind...how can he now claim that she wanted to die than live like this?



If we are not sure what Terri wanted why not let her parent's take over and care for her?



The fact that Michael has moved on to another woman, even without a divorce certainly raises questions about his motives.
 
Spilchy said:
VCY America is a Christian radio station. What you would "learn" about Terry would be grossly skewed to fit a religious agenda. The likes of the reports found here coincide with those people who stand outside the hospital, spewing their own versions of hate towards those who disagree. Just read some of those signs. I like the one that calls me the Devil.



terrisfight.org is obviously not objective.
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Hmmm. You didn't like these two? Ok, how about these?



http://www.620wtmj.com/620programs/charliesykes/weblog.asp



http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0513,hentoff,62489,6.html





Someone help me out here. It's reported that Terry is on a morfeen/morfin (however you spell it) drip. If it's reported by Michael's doctor's & his lawyer that Terry can't feel pain, why the morfeen?
 
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