jfsully said:
Tod :
I know its not right to get personal on a website BUT, you have already taken shots time and time and time again at Tom and his products.
This post can be deleted if the moderators see fit and I certainly don't want this to turn into a "flamefest"
I think if you had the nerve to show up at Detailfest, you would have had the chance to state your case and quiz Tom up close and personal. You didn't show up and did not see the tremendous job System One did on the Mercedes.
I know because it was (and is) my car and I know the scratches that were on it.
And BTW , how many Pebble Beach Concours cars have you restored and how many Pebble Beach Concours winners do you have? (not just secondary categories)
Hi Jfsully, my name is Todd (two d's) but no worries,
I don't think I have made personal attacks about Tom and I am actually shocked you feel that way. I would have no problem asking Tom questions in person, and I have asked them on another forum. Personally it is nice to see an independent person strive to be successful.
However, I am critical of every product out there and strive to research each one before I use them on the cars I detail. Maybe I am overly critical and probably annoying at times, but I give my honest opinion because many have asked me for it.
Again, I don’t' believe I have taken shots at System One or Tom. I do not agree with a lot of what he says, but then again my experience has also led me to disagree with a lot of product manufacturer's. If my experience had been better using System One or have been any different I would have posted it.
However I found System One to be a good (but not great product) polish with a lot of draw backs. It doesn't cut as well as dedicated compound (nor should it be expected) nor does it finish as well as a microscopic diminishing abrasive polish. I prefer to have different tools for the job to dial in my process exactly.
To question my nerve is slightly over the line because I would have asked the same questions on to him as I would have on autogeek and gotten the same answers which I would have disagreed with. I don't see what nerve has to do with anything and why you would have questioned it?
While harder, smaller abrasives (so called NON diminishing abrasive) technology has blurred the line as how much a polish can correct while still finishing nicely, it still is a jack of all trades to me. I agree with TheMightyTimmah posted earlier, it finishes out nice but there’s room for improvement.
For a product to be able to finish out nicely, it can only be so aggressive, so it obviously will not cut as much as an aggressive compound. Also to have the ability to cut paint it can only be so mild. Again the newer abrasives seem to expand this, but this was my original statement and in my experience it is true.
Also I found it be very dusty, I do not see how this is an attack either, it is just an honest opinion.
I am happy that you are satisfied with the results. I know a lot of people that are happy with the results with the local hack n' swirls as well. What I am getting at is I do not know you and your standards and I am glad you are happy, but System One failed my standards. Is that a crime?
To reiterate, I respect Tom for being a business man, for attacking a market, and for taking the time to answer questions that I asked. His products aren't for me or (IMO) anybody looking for the best (IME).
Also I do not restore cars and thus have never restored a Pebble Beach car. However I do high end detailing dealing primarily with Ferrari's and won several platimums, silvers, and trophies at Cavallino (which to many a Ferrari owner is the Pebble Beach for Ferrari's) and have several cars competing at next year's Pebble Beach (including a 1 of 1 Shelby Cobra prototype that was to become the "next" Shelby Cobra).
Anyways, I am sure as to what the question meant but it definitely qualifies me to judge the quality of a detail product I have used (even though it doesn't make my opinion more valuable on any product) the same anybody has the right their opinion. It just means I have very high standards...
BTW, I didn't find your post personal and it would be a shame if it was closed. I don't mind answering questions if you don't mind my terrible spelling.
