It seems those who've used Swissvax haven't got much experience using Z***L, and vice-versa. If I can eliminate Royale as a contender, then perhaps I can justify buying both Vintage and a tub of Crystal Rock to find out for myself, and even post my review. Provided, of course, that those who have used both Royale and Vintage can honestly say that there's no discernible difference in results between the two and that Vintage is as good a representation of Zymol's best.
Swissvax Crystal Rock or Z Vintage or Z Royale?
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imported_agentf11
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vrecaro said:
I recommend you buy an ounce or two off of ebay to try Vintage first before putting out that money.
I also recommend you just pick up some Swissvax Concorso since I find it is just as nice as some of the higher end waxes and is under 300 bucks. Still a good high end wax but priced "semi" reasonable.
Truth be told it really is more the prep than the LSP when it comes down to the looks. A wax or sealant can only do so much and the difference between a $15 sealant or wax and a $2000 wax is minimal. Not saying don't buy it just you are better off perfecting your paint prep skills.
steelwind101
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D&D Auto Detail said:
Even if paintwork is correctly highly, different LSP's can effect the colour. Of course if its black then its very hard to tell!
I think the Zymol waxes have a jetting, like a melting ice cube with nice optics.
But Crystal rock looks has a sharp, defined look, if slightly less warm then then Zymol products.
MarcHarris
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wfedwar said:
Yup. Because scientific gloss measurements tell a lot about depth, wetness, and glow... :tumblewee
Zymol and SV? Both are good: I use them on my wheels / exhaust tips / door jams :laugh:
BimmerSean
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steelwind101 said:
I think I know what you mean by your description of jetting...I always see it as a "RIPPLING" effect....I have never tried Swissvax. However, I do own both the Zymol Royale and Vintage. They are both great waxes but I really can't tell any difference visually between the two...I would get the Vintage...
Sean,,,
Found what I'm looking for... Car Wax World Championship 2009 :hifive:
Home - CWWC 2009
...though the English version needs updating, and the tests seems to still be on going.
Too bad only Vintage vs. Crystal rock... no Royale in the mix
Home - CWWC 2009
...though the English version needs updating, and the tests seems to still be on going.
Too bad only Vintage vs. Crystal rock... no Royale in the mix
nosbusa1700
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I would go with the Vintage over the other two. jmo
If you have the money buy all three. If not, I know you can get smaller jars of both Vintage & Royale before you throw down 9-10k.
Not sure about Crystal Rock?? But I don't think you can find a smaller size jar.
All in all, if your prep is good/great I don't believe you'll see much (if any) difference in looks, in the LSP you mentioned.. If you do see a difference do you think you'll see an 7-8k difference? I don't believe so..
Again if you have the money buy all three. The one's you don't like you can always sell. jmo
If you have the money buy all three. If not, I know you can get smaller jars of both Vintage & Royale before you throw down 9-10k.
Not sure about Crystal Rock?? But I don't think you can find a smaller size jar.
All in all, if your prep is good/great I don't believe you'll see much (if any) difference in looks, in the LSP you mentioned.. If you do see a difference do you think you'll see an 7-8k difference? I don't believe so..
Again if you have the money buy all three. The one's you don't like you can always sell. jmo
Leadfootluke
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vrecaro said:
Very cool! I look forward to reading what you have to say about them :2thumbs:
imported_agentf11
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vrecaro said:
Now that you had both ZV and CR for a while what are your thoughts on these two waxes.
I know it has only been 6 months and CR advertises 1 yr durability, has CR made it 6 months on any of your cars and does it still seem to be going strong?
z06meister said:
Both CR and ZV are strong on areas that don't see a lot of grime, such as the top of the hood, trunk and roof, however on the sides of the car near the fenders where mud and grime splashes when driven during rainy days, they both seem to need replenishing after a few rainy trips.
On cars that are driven only on sunny days, both will last as advertised. And on garage queens, I'm sure the protection will last a lot longer.
One thing I notice about ZV is that is has a bit more depth than CR, though CR is easy to apply and has a bit more reflection. The difference between the two can be seen in the evenings and early morning, but when the sun is up, you won't be able to tell the difference. As a personal preference I actually like the look of ZV better, but much prefer using CR in colder months for its ease of application. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if I live in a warm climate all year round, I'd probably opt for ZV, but since I don't I much prefer using CR when the temperature gets colder, such as in the fall or spring.
I was given a small amount of Vintage and tried it on my black S2K. I have to say that I believe I saw a real difference between it and the other waxes I have tried. It's hard to describe--perhaps a depth. In any case, it was lovely and the look maintained itself longer than I expected. Of course, I'd never spend $2,000 for a tub of wax; but perhaps I'd feel differently if I was a professional detailing and planned on using it a lot. With the free refills it would no doubt pay for itself, in twenty or thirty years. 
The one Zymol wax that I would like to own one day is Glasur. It's more in my price range. But I have foresworn purchasing more waxes until I have used up those I already have. The simple fact is, my cars look great when they are well prepped, no matter what wax I finally choose for them. And after the first wash, one is hard put to discern a difference between them. Some do seem to clean up better than others. Some are more durable. Vintage is the only wax I have tried whose look seems to mature over time.
The one Zymol wax that I would like to own one day is Glasur. It's more in my price range. But I have foresworn purchasing more waxes until I have used up those I already have. The simple fact is, my cars look great when they are well prepped, no matter what wax I finally choose for them. And after the first wash, one is hard put to discern a difference between them. Some do seem to clean up better than others. Some are more durable. Vintage is the only wax I have tried whose look seems to mature over time.
imported_dfazekas
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You could just get Z solaris and be done with it 
D&D Auto Detail said:
Very good point, and interesting too.
It depends greatly on the colour of the paintwork, and HOW you appraise the results.
Detailers would look at the results in certain ways, and the average car owner might have a different method of judging his/her car's appearance.
ONe of my well-heeled customer drives a silver 7series Beemer, and his ex-detailer used to use high-end nubas. Customer was Ok with it. When he converted to my shop, I delved deeper and realised the car is only used AT NIGHT, parked in front of his dance club and surrounded by security poles and colourful lights nearby.
This Beemer was a night crawler, and garaged in the day.
I sanded the Beemer, extensively prepped it + 6 layers of Zaino Z2Pro + Z8 spray.
This tactic worked very well and made the car very wet and reflective at night.
The owner loved it! On this car, I set aside the high-end Nubas...and just stuck with something much cheaper.
At last, it all boils down to the likes/dislikes/tastes of the car owner.
Some of my customers were not impressed by the high-end nubas, and were drawn to the looks of NXT2 or even Klasse SG. Diff people like diff things.
Chemically, high-end nubas might cost relatively much more to produce, and they do hv that kinda carnauba look that many detailers love. But I'm only interested in products that'll impress the car owner/customer, regardless of cost
AeroCleanse
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vrecaro said:
If your putting all those aside, your kinda of defeating the reason for using them.
Accumulator
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Akimel- Interesting that your experience with Vintage is so similar to that of...oh...SuperBee364 and lbls1. People who don't buy into that product often say that people who *do* like it just see what they want to see, but I'd rather give its aficionados the benefit of the doubt.
I've also heard that Vintage can be very good at dirt shedding too, cleaning up very well.
I've also heard that Vintage can be very good at dirt shedding too, cleaning up very well.