Swissvax Crystal Rock or Z Vintage or Z Royale?

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vrecaro

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For those who have used at least two of these products; COST aside, EASE-OF-USE aside, and DURABILITY aside, which ONE would you pick, to gain the edge on the LOOKS department, for use on two non-metallic black cars and one non-metallic red car, all three with 100% corrected paint surfaces?



Please rank your answer to identify the products you've used; if all three or two out of three, and feel free to elaborate:)
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
Would love to see someone be able to tell the difference between them on 100% corrected and perfected paint.
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The paint isn't exactly 100% corrected, but its as good as it can be, as there are some deeper scratches that simply can't be removed on all three cars.



If all three waxes ranks EQUAL then my preference would be to get the cheapest one out of the three options, which would be Vintage, with its lifetime refill. So



1. Vintage.

2. Royale.

3. Crystal Rock.
 
EisenHulk said:
I would get all three.



You would then easily be the best detailer in the country. Perhaps the world.
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Why would you get all three? Care to elaborate? Are there differences between the three, unique to each, even though it will be very slight?



At most I would get 2, one from Swissvax, CR, and one from Z***L, either Vintage or Royale, but not both. That of course is provided that one LSP is better on BLACK, and the other is better on RED. From what I've read on forums SV tends to be better on black and Z***L better on Red. Not sure if this is the consensus on their higher end waxes.



I am an enthusiast working only on my own cars, and prefers to have one LSP that works best on all 3 cars. And if the results are going to be EQUAL in between the three, then I'd pick the cheapest one out of the three, which would be vintage with its lifetime refill.
 
vrecaro said:
The paint isn't exactly 100% corrected, but its as good as it can be, as there are some deeper scratches that simply can't be removed on all three cars.



If all three waxes ranks EQUAL then my preference would be to get the cheapest one out of the three options, which would be Vintage, with its lifetime refill. So



1. Vintage.

2. Royale.

3. Crystal Rock.
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You still aren't going to be able to see a difference.
 
vrecaro said:
For those who have used at least two of these products; COST aside, EASE-OF-USE aside, and DURABILITY aside, which ONE would you pick, to gain the edge on the LOOKS department, for use on two non-metallic black cars and one non-metallic red car, all three with 100% corrected paint surfaces?



Please rank your answer to identify the products you've used; if all three or two out of three, and feel free to elaborate:)
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I am a frequent lurker but now a new member and poster to Autopia. I have used both Z Royale and Z Vintage. I got the samples directly from Z***l as a kit. You might consider getting this kit yourself, which gives you a small container of Royale, Vintage and Atlantique. Expensive yes, but I too am a wax snob.



The Royale definitely looks better, and lasts longer, on my car (graphite MB CL63 AMG). Graphite is a dark metallac gray. Both Royale and Vintage are also extremely easy to use. A dry, grainey bit in your hand turns into a liquid as you rub your hands together. Apply to your car but don't let it dry. Buff off with light pressure with a MF. Do a light buffing several hours later with a thick MF and you will be amazed.



After testing, I decided to get Vintage for myself, but Royale is an awesome wax. It still gives that deep, rich glow several months after application.



You might also try Z's field glaze. I've had good luck with that after washings.



Hope this is helpful.
 
vrecaro said:
Thanks Dan,



I will take that as equal to each other, since the difference is imperceptible.
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Im going to say, you probably wont be able to tell a difference between these and waxes in the $100-200 price range. Its all in the prep buddy. Thats a lot of dough to spend. but im not stopping anybody :)
 
If I had to choose I would go with Vintage. On both VIntage and Royale, both you get free life time refills. I Would elimante royale because of the cost and stick to vintage. IN all honesty a $2000 price tag doesn't scare me with free refills. The money I spend on waxes is insane. WHy not just by one and be done. Now keep in mind I have only play with vintage once. It did look nice!
 
If your into high end waxes, Vintage would be your best buy. If you do the numbers even at a $2,200 intial outlay the life time refills will fill the gap quickly. That's providing you don't die soon.
 
bogi094 said:
Im going to say, you probably wont be able to tell a difference between these and waxes in the $100-200 price range. Its all in the prep buddy. Thats a lot of dough to spend. but im not stopping anybody :)
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Paint correction and jeweling the paint, I would leave to the professionals who has mastered the technique, but since I do like to wax and detail, as I find it somewhat therapeutic, ease-of-use becomes a non-issue and I would do it often enough that durability too won't be of concern. Performance is therefore down to looks alone. Granted there are a few aspects to looks, not just aesthetics of the just-finished wax, but also aging and even dust collecting, inherent in natural waxes. All of which can alter its performance value shortly after completion of application.



I can certainly see a difference between the mid range 100-250 dollar waxes vs. the less expensive ones, and there is no question that performance plateaus beyond that price range. The challenge is to determine its cut off point. That's why I am addressing this question in this forum, where your experience, subjective preferences and trained eyes, can aid my purchasing decision.



If indeed there is no perceivable difference between these three available top end waxes, then my rationale will opt for the least expensive of the three.
 
You seem to accept the idea that Royale is no better than Vintage or Crystal Rock(something like a $6000 price difference), but you also seem sure that any of these three are better than waxes you've already tried. I have a huge collection of LSPs in a tub in my garage, hardly ever used. The majority of these are more expensive than the one I use almost exclusively. I have totally given up on gaining anything from an LSP other than some protection against bird crap and acid rain, and a little better shedding of dirt.



Anyway, I know you want something special, so maybe you'd enjoy trying the different high-end Zymols before committing several thousand dollars. Check out: www.zymol.com - Holiday for more info. I'd personally look into Dodo juice as well if I weren't concerned at all with longevity.
 
vintage refills for life and you can pass it on to a next of kin. I have already spent 1000 on different waxes.



I use vintage and you can see a diff between it and say 1000p, collinite, supernatural, etc.



I believe John K did a gloss meter test, and vintage was one of best. http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/128896-9-wax-unbiased-review.html



its also interesting to see that gloss after correction is still highly varied on a panel, and that some waxes increase the gloss level.



Cheers,

GREG
 
wfedwar said:
You seem to accept the idea that Royale is no better than Vintage or Crystal Rock(something like a $6000 price difference), but you also seem sure that any of these three are better than waxes you've already tried. I have a huge collection of LSPs in a tub in my garage, hardly ever used. The majority of these are more expensive than the one I use almost exclusively. I have totally given up on gaining anything from an LSP other than some protection against bird crap and acid rain, and a little better shedding of dirt.



Anyway, I know you want something special, so maybe you'd enjoy trying the different high-end Zymols before committing several thousand dollars. Check out: www.zymol.com - Holiday for more info. I'd personally look into Dodo juice as well if I weren't concerned at all with longevity.
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:wow:

WOW!!! buying 4 (four) units of Z "holiday sampler #2" kit from Zymol, for a grand total of 800 dollars, will give you the exact equivalent of three full sized 8 oz tub of Concourse, Destiny and Atlantique, which would normally cost over 2000. These four kits cost less than just one 8 oz. tub of Atlantique, yet you don't just get the same amount of wax for considerably a lot less, you get the equivalent of full sized Destiny and Concours free on top of it and they're all divided in smaller containers that you can store individually for further longevity. Better than one large tub IMO. Definitely a bargain for those looking for Atlantique and even Destiny. As long as this kit is available, the sale of regular sized Destiny and Atlantique must be non-existent:)



Thank you for the input, I really appreciate that:thx



However, trying out each individual wax candidate, even in sample form, is exactly the process I'd like to bypass, as I'm sure there are plenty here in this forum who have tried it all. Granted it will be subjective, but I am pretty sure I won't be displeased with any of these three waxes.



And yes, I am not oppose to the idea that from the looks department there may not be any difference between them. Although, in theory, there should be other differences in other departments, such as durability and ease of use, water beading tightness, etc. that would make one superior than the other.



Wax is wax and everyone in the business of making wax knows their main ingredients, it is therefore down to the technique of making the wax itself, that gives it the edge. I opt for the most established brand on the high end segment for its maturity on their product developments. And I opt for their available top of the line products, as it ensures I'll be getting their cumulative know how from their entire product line, while sparing no expense in its craftsmanship.



Wether its worth the money, many can argue that these pricier waxes with lifetime refill can be quite a bargain, provided of course, that I didn't spend the money trying to reach that conclusion. That's why I would like to only buy one, and get it right the first time with the help of this forum.



Thanks in advance for everyone here for all your comments. It is starting to confirm my suspicion and paving my way to what I believe would be the right choice of LSP for me.:thx
 
Greg Nichols said:
I believe John K did a gloss meter test, and vintage was one of best. http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/128896-9-wax-unbiased-review.html
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from author of linked test said:
Another interesting observation is Zymol Titanium vs Vintage.

Both these waxes improve the gloss after curing. But one costs $71 and the other costs $2184 , how is the price difference justified?
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Strange how we see what we want to see sometimes.
 
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