swirls on black (pics)

schrader said:
yes!! i would like an honest opinion on if i can get rid of those by hand...

btw... real sea sponge or real sheeps skin mit???
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I only use sheeps skin mitts, never tried sea sponge.
 
Jason,



To clarify my statement better I should have said that a natural sea sponge will not trap dirt inside of it like a wash mit does. A natural sea sponge will hold two to three times more water than a mitt.



After you wipe your wash mit across your car you dunk it in the wash bucket for more soapy water. With a mitt, you still have dirt trapped inside of it even after dunking it a few times. A natural sea sponge will not harbor the dirt inside of it.



Perhaps you were using a cheaper sponge and not a 100% natural sea sponge?



Carzzz
 
Schrader, Don't get too hung up on using a sheeps skin mit or a sea sponge. I was simply stating my preference. You will be fine with whatever you choose. Some people prefer to use the California Water Blade for drying the vehicle. I prefer a synthetic chamois. Both are fine to use.



Focus your attention on what really needs to be done and use common sense.
 
By hand... it definitely can be done. In my opinion, it takes longer (especially your first few times) but you can achieve the same end result. Just stay away from extremely aggressive product likes or products that are hard to break down (Meguiar's Diamond Cut or Heavy Cut, 3M Finesse It II etc.)



Personally, sheepskin for me.
 
teamvegas,



Truely a job well done on the black BMW. This kind of work (minor swirls) can be done by hand, orbital, or rotary. Doing this job by hand will require quite a bit more effort and time. If done by a first timer, could prove uneven results. An orbital would be best used in my opinion.



Don't believe for a second that the wax is what creates the shine. It is the flaw free finish created from using a paint cleaner or polish that produces a perfect reflection and shine. The wax simply protects the paint from UV Rays and gives the paint more depth.



Carzzz
 
carzzz said:
teamvegas,



Truely a job well done on the black BMW. This kind of work (minor swirls) can be done by hand, orbital, or rotary. Doing this job by hand will require quite a bit more effort and time. If done by a first timer, could prove uneven results. An orbital would be best used in my opinion.



Don't believe for a second that the wax is what creates the shine. It is the flaw free finish created from using a paint cleaner or polish that produces a perfect reflection and shine. The wax simply protects the paint from UV Rays and gives the paint more depth.



Carzzz
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Scottwax is the name of the guy that did this job. Its not a product. Look at all of Scottwax's work. It is truly amazing.



Believe me I know that wax doesnt do this!:argue
 
this is something i posted as a separate thread with no results... maybe i will get some help in this one.. since this thread has a pic of the work to be done!!!



thanks!!



"i just recieved my bottle of hi-temp's light cut leveler...but i need some help in applying as i am a complete rookie... i am planning on applying it by hand... two questrions:



1. is it possible to apply it by hand. and is is safe?? it seems like a powerfull product, eventhough its cosider a cleaner / polisher



2. if it is... how do i apply it and with which pad??



if you need more info on my plan of attack please let me know.



thanks!!!!!"
 
Mike Phillips said:
Hi schrader,



From the picture, they look fairly light. How hard they are to remove will depend upon,



Paint hardness

Swirl depth



After you decide you plan of attack, do a "Test Spot".



Apply your products, using your application materials and choice of application procedure, (rotary, PC, hand), to one small area.



Work all the way from beginning to your final wax, or last step product. Then inspect in both indoor lighting and outdoor lighting.



If the results look good... then repeat the process to the entire car. If you are not seeing the results you're looking for, then stop and re-evaluate your plan of attack.



If you cannot make one small area look good with your choice of products and procedures, then you will not be able to make the entire car look good.



(Anyone want to here a horror story about a guy, his hand, a tatty rag, some old fashioned compound and a single stage white finish?)



Hope this helps...



Mike
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BigLeegr said:
Mike: Sure! Let's hear it. I'm usually interested in stories with morals at the end! The car made it, didn't it? Please say it didn't die!:D
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Mike Phillips said:
I pretty much summed it up, above, but here's the skinny,



I met this man through the Usenet Newsgroups on rec.autos.misc



He wanted to know how to get the scratches out of his finish. So, I responded back and asked him about the scratches. That's when he told me that he tried to polish out his car starting with a hand applied rubbing compound. (Dupont's I think).



He applied the rubbing compound to the entire car and then wiped it off to reveal a compete, scratched up mess. I forget the car but he told me he was seeing white paint on his rag.



He did not have a rotary buffer, or the skill to use one. I pretty much told him he would have to take it to a professional. I also told him he was probably out of luck because those scratches were going to be difficult, if not impossible to completely buff out because of the hardness of most single-stage white paints.



The lesson he learned was to do a test spot in one small area first to see if he can make it look good before applying to the entire car.





He simply let his excitement get a head of him. It taught me that not everyone I communicate with over the Internet has good hand skills. It's important when helping people work on their car's paint, and you don't know their skill level, or their specific paint problem, to be cautious. Start out with having them test their products of choice in a small area first, and sometimes in an inconspicuous area first.



Mike



p.s.



Never heard from the guy again...
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This post includes the story from where the term Test Spot came from... dated dated 03-04-04



The time I actually used the term wasn't in my reply in this thread, it was back in either 1993 or 1994 when I was typing on Usenet Newsgroups, way before vBulletin was created.









:)
 
craigdt said:
Holy thread bump batman!
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I know Batman, he's a good friend of mine...



Batman1_866188.jpg






craigdt said:
Slow day at the office? :D



I wish, there's never a slow day...





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Interesting history there
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I was actually looking for the first use of the term RIDS and LSP, I found the first use of the term RIDS, it wasn't actually posted to this forum by me but two guys that attended a class I taught on July 31st, 2002 where I used the term in the class.



Here's a thread to that class, this was the first class I taught that I coordinated through a "Discussion Forum", that was 8 years ago...



SoCal Mercedesshop, Meguiars Detailing Day In August





I'm happy to say that many of the friends I made at that class and on Mercedesshop are still good friends today.





Wrote two articles on RIDS and Test Spot yesterday and working on at a new article today...





:)
 
Correction to what I wrote above, here's the first use of the term RIDS with a post date of 10-13-03 01:42



Lab Sample D





Mike Phillips said:
Rotary buffed using M-09 Swirl Remover 2.0 at 1500 rpm with W-9006 to remove swirls and majority of random, isolated, deeper scratches, (RIDS).
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And first use of the term LSP or Last Step Product is right here, dated 10-25-03, 02:32





Page 3 of the original Lab Sample D thread, Lab Sample D turned into NXT Tech Wax...



!!!!! Meguiar's Lab Sample "d"!!!!!



Post #68



Mike Phillips said:
Tomorrow, If I'm lucky, I will be meeting the owner of one of the original Batmobiles. If I'm even luckier, the owner will give me permission to detail his treasure. If I am granted this blessing, (a detailers dream come true), I will not hesitate to use this next generation of polymer technology as a last step product, (LSP), after first massaging-out the existing defects and bring the surface to a super smooth, high gloss finish.
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Just looking for the first use of the terms,





  • RIDS
  • Test Spot
  • LSP



For some articles I'm writing...



:)
 
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