Stuff Products.......

Here is an answer I got back.



"Some "breweries" do, but it's rare that it would be a brewery with their own actual facility.



It's called contract brewing and it's how many newer micros that don't have the capital investment for a physical brewery get the job done. It's typically done by approaching another micro that has spare capacity on their system to brew your recipe, say Firestone-Walker in Paso Robles, CA, Coast Range in Gilroy or FX Matt in Utica, NY. Sometimes unscrupulous marketing types will simply take an existing recipe from the brewery and re-label it to appear to be "Fat Wallet Ale from New Micro Z".



But as for going to the big boys, the only one I can think of that's done that is Sam Adams. They've historically had most of their beer produced at other large breweries to meet demand and get fresh beer across the country cheaply. But I believe those days are either ended or coming to an end.



It's not a bad practice in the hands of people who have a passionate love of their beer. It's bad though when it's simply done to put something out there.



ETA: And of the breweries that you mentioned none of those would do this unless it was key to meeting demand and staying afloat. The general way to tell whether or not something is contracted brewed is to check the label. It will generally say something like "Packaged and brewed for New Micro X by Brewery Z in YY""



End of subject as far as I'm concerned.
 
The one I was thinking of is SAM ADAMS as fo rmicrobrews. If those days are over, it is news to me. But of course I don't keep on top of that industry. Before the micro-brews though, contract brewing was still occuring with some of the big names still around today. The analogy I was making was just to provide a real world example.



"Boston Beer Company's Samuel Adams Boston Lager. People assumed that the beer was actually brewed in Boston. Boston Beer Company - Boston Lager - it would seem to follow. So, they were often surprised to find that this upscale, hoppy, flavorful beer was brewed in large, older, regional breweries in Pittsburgh, Rochester, or Portland, Oregon, better known for relatively inexpensive mainstream beer.



Jim Koch and the Boston Beer Company have never been shy about it. "Sam Adams is made by very well-paid unionized people," Jim Koch says freely. Koch compares contract-brewing to baking a cake to your recipe in someone else's kitchen - it's still your recipe, it's still your cake, you just used someone else's mixer, bowl, cakepan, and oven to make it. "The way we contract-brew," he says, "we are heavily involved in every step, in ingredient selection, process - and our brewers are there every step of the way."-
 
Sam Adams is the biggest micro brewer of the one's I mentioned, so for them to contract out is understandable. Not sure of the numbers, but you could put a bunch of the other's together and they would not produce what SA does. I might have gotten carried alittle away, but I could not let anyone tell me that the fine brew's I drink come from Bud, Coors, or Miller. LOL
 
John Styrnol said:
Sam Adams is the biggest micro brewer of the one's I mentioned, so for them to contract out is understandable. Not sure of the numbers, but you could put a bunch of the other's together and they would not produce what SA does. I might have gotten carried alittle away, but I could not let anyone tell me that the fine brew's I drink come from Bud, Coors, or Miller. LOL
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To be honest, it's the same recipe, just made in bigger quanities to keep up with demand at (bud, coors, miller,etc). Also, the contract brewers probably have better, more expensive expensive equipment they can use at the bigger breweries.
 
Some beer snobbery here? hmmm...



Now that this thread is thoroughly off-topic, I just want to add that....



Miller Rocks!!



:xyxthumbs
 
It is true that Stuf has ceased, for the time being, selling due to the financial and

emotional damage that resulted from such things as the Mothers lawsuit...but we are not out of business.



Our manufacture, who has been with us since day one, has over the years manufactured many (but not all) of the high quality Stuf products that our very loyal and supportive customers have come to love and depend on. So we sold only the rights to use the "stufproducts.com" domain name to them so that our customer could continue to get, not the exact same Stuf Produts, but good quality products (we wouldn't used them if they made junk)



Unfortunately, Hi-Lustre took it upon themselves to write information implying that the web page was from us, but it is not. What you can currently buy from them is close to what they made for us, but not the exact same product.



As for the lawsuit with Mothers... we did have the arbitration hearing last year. Mousetrap (Stuf's advertising agency) sued Mothers for libel based on statements they made on the internet and in other ways. Mothers countersued for trademark infringement, breach of fiduciary duty, missapropriation of confidential information and trade secrets, unfair competition and fraud.



The arbitrator ruled against Mousetrap Advertising on the libel claim. But he also ruled against Mothers and stated that there was no trademark infringement, unfair competition, breach of fiduciary duty nor was there any missapropriation of confidential information and trade secrets. The arbitrator did however rule in favor of Mothers when he ruled that Mousetrap should have told Mothers that they were thinking about getting involved with another wax company. (Even though, at the time, Mousetrap wasn't working with Mothers nor was there any exclusivity agreement between them.) So the arbitrator awarded Mothers a refund of the $51,000 that they paid Mousetrap for the ads. There was no judgment against Stuf Products.



Currently, Mousetrap and Stuf have filed a motion in Superior Court to have the arbitrators decision vacated (thrown out) on the grounds that he exceeded his authority by ruling on an issue that was never presented to him or complained of by either party. Mothers never complained or demanded a refund of the amount they paid Mousetrap for their ads...in fact Mothers stated many times (under oath) that they were very happy with the ads produced by Mousetrap and in fact used them for a full year. We'll see what happens in court on the Motion to Vacate. So this is far from Mothers having won the lawsuit, but for the time being they got what they wanted; to destroy the little guy.



I have poured my heart and sole (and checkbook) into Stuf and it pains me greatly to have to put it on hold as such. I've been fortunate enough to do somthing I truly loved doing. Got to work on, ride and show off the best Vette ever! Even got to be a "poster babe" for a few looooong days at SEMA. But I've also been beaten, lied about and forced to finally just give up.



I want to thank all of you who have been supportive of me and Stuf. And for those of you who haven't.... well that which doesn't kills us only makes us stronger and I'm not dead yet. So I guess I thank you too.
 
Waxgirl, thanks for the response. I'm sad to see you go and hate that it all happened in the first place. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors and whatever you do, don't let it keep you down!
 
Waxgirl,



Have you got the detailing video from your site? I'd be glad if you'd send it to me. Stuf was an interesting face & design in the detailing world.
 
Thanks waxgirl. It takes a big person to come on here and explain things from your perspective and to do it with class. I never used your products, but they got favorable reviews and also it was said your customer service was first rate. Good luck in the future and hopefully you can get back into the things you enjoy doing.
 
What a shame, just when I was getting ready to get in a starter pac.

Thanks for coming on here and giving us all the information
 
Waxgirl, I'm saddened to hear about your ordeal. I always hope 'the little guy/gal' gets to poke the 'giant' in the eye.



I'm reminded of the of the words of the English drinking song of a few years ago, by the band 'Chumba Lumba':



"I get knocked down...I get up again...you're never gonna keep me down!



I get knocked down...I get up again...you're never gonna keep me down!"



Don't let them keep you down, girl. :bigups
 
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