Absolutely outstanding!!! My vehicle has a lot of trim on it, so this product was made for it. All you do is spray it on and walk away. You are left with a great shine and some UV protection. Sometimes you may spray too close and it may run a little, but all you do is lightly buff it off, and you are all set. Generally though, no rubbing or buffing is ever needed. I hope Stoner doesn't discontinue this product line in the future. I do not know what I'll do.
Stoner's Trim Shine!!!!!!!!!
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waxman...when the product first came out, I was given a can at a Carlisle event free. They were trying to get started. This was many years ago.
I fell in love with it for my trailer and Bronco tires. It was easy and shiney.
It is my belief, maybe unfounded, that it caused early rot and cracking of these tires. None of my other vehicles used the Stoner and those tires were fine. FWIW, the trailer had Goodyears and the Bronco had Bridgestones.
It's really just a silicone spray.
I fell in love with it for my trailer and Bronco tires. It was easy and shiney.
It is my belief, maybe unfounded, that it caused early rot and cracking of these tires. None of my other vehicles used the Stoner and those tires were fine. FWIW, the trailer had Goodyears and the Bronco had Bridgestones.
It's really just a silicone spray.
imported_BretFraz
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I use the stuff on wheelwells and other underbody areas where they need some dressing but are difficult to clean well. I usually have a couple of cans on hand as it seems to go quickly. A good product for detailers.
Matt M, where do you get your information? Did you perform a chemical analysis of Trim Shine?
Although Trim Shine does contain silicone (as do many other trim dressings), it is not "really just a silicone spray". It contains UV protectants, mild cleaners, stabilizers, etc. The liquid is a water-based emulsion; the aerosol is solvent based.
I have the MSDSs for the products right here. I called the company and asked them what is in each product.
Tom
Although Trim Shine does contain silicone (as do many other trim dressings), it is not "really just a silicone spray". It contains UV protectants, mild cleaners, stabilizers, etc. The liquid is a water-based emulsion; the aerosol is solvent based.
I have the MSDSs for the products right here. I called the company and asked them what is in each product.
Tom
Mosca.... I called and e-mailed Stoner many years ago when the problems surface on my tires. They were very tight lipped about what is in their products. They finally admitted to the Tire, Interior and Trim shine as being silicone products. This was when I started avoind silicones. FWIW..I have had no further dry rotting,
Having the MSDS is great...but it will not contain ingredients that are not considered hazardous (for shipping, handling and the like)...so an MSDS is not the end-all to a product.
Having the MSDS is great...but it will not contain ingredients that are not considered hazardous (for shipping, handling and the like)...so an MSDS is not the end-all to a product.
imported_Intel486
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Matt M said:
You need to look into the different types of silicones as well as what causes damage to tires. Who knows why you got early dry rot.
Most dressings use to use a dimethly silicone oil (This is the bad migratory silicone) and a solvent, usually kerosene or mineral spirits. They combined together and attacked the rubber, vinyl, etc. Whatever they were put on. That silicone also made repainting a PITA.
The bad silicone doesn't go into solution with water and the current Trim Shine is water-based. I don't know about the orignal but it might have been solvent based w/ dimethly oil depending on how long ago you got it. Heck, Armor-all use to be bad but now it's a new water-based formula! The safe silicones are either a amino functional silicone or from the siloxane family. Even most modern solvent based dressings will use a high quality mineral spirits that flashes off the surface quickly before it attacks the rubber or vinyl.
You can't avoid silicone in the detailing industry. What dressing are you using now? And What about the compound and polish you're using. They often contain silicone for a lubricant, which is why they have "body shop safe" compounds and polishes out there.
I love Trim Shine. Feel in love with it the first can I got of it and have been using it ever since. I have 5 gallons of it right now too.
Intel486...glad you are happy with the Stoner. It is possible that they have changed their formulation. Regarding the dry rot...all I know is that since I no longer use the Stoner...I do not have dry rot problems. And, the truck is used less frequently now, which should cause the tires to dry rot faster. I also used to use the trim shine on the Bronco's bumper trim, and the trim seemed to develop a dependancy on this. (I have since replaced the trim and bumpers.) You should know that I bought this truck new in 1994 and have always stayed on top of it's upkeep, so I am very aware of how things aged.
As far as what I have-use on tires, either 303 or Zaino's Tire Dressing. I also use Sprayway's silicone free tire dressing on inner fenders on my truck, where it is easier to spray than wipe.
I avoid silicones when I can, and use as many body shop safe products as I possible...many by 3M.
Everyday more silicone free products are released, and even the if there is only a "chance" that there is a problem with silicones...I avoid them.
Finally, my experience with "detailer" grade products has been that they are cheap and fast...not necessarily the best for the long haul. Detailers need to work fast and cheap to keep the profit margin up.
As far as what I have-use on tires, either 303 or Zaino's Tire Dressing. I also use Sprayway's silicone free tire dressing on inner fenders on my truck, where it is easier to spray than wipe.
I avoid silicones when I can, and use as many body shop safe products as I possible...many by 3M.
Everyday more silicone free products are released, and even the if there is only a "chance" that there is a problem with silicones...I avoid them.
Finally, my experience with "detailer" grade products has been that they are cheap and fast...not necessarily the best for the long haul. Detailers need to work fast and cheap to keep the profit margin up.
imported_Intel486
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Matt M, PA, How long ago did you get that Trim Shine?
Intel...can't remember. It was when they first were trying to break into the consumer market. There is an enormous swap meet in Carlisle, PA and they were there on display. I understand their offices are near to there. I do remember that it was quite a while before Stoner showed up in stores. It could have been '96, 97...just can't remember.
If memory serves me, it was two sets of tires ago on the Bronco. I replaced the set on it back then...and wore that replacement set out that were just replaced last year.
Back then, I used all the "shine" products that Stoner used. I stopped using the interior product as it seemed to attract lots of dirt on the interior.
One more thing..>I keep mentioning the old Bronco. Here's a link that shows the old lady.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37094
If memory serves me, it was two sets of tires ago on the Bronco. I replaced the set on it back then...and wore that replacement set out that were just replaced last year.
Back then, I used all the "shine" products that Stoner used. I stopped using the interior product as it seemed to attract lots of dirt on the interior.
One more thing..>I keep mentioning the old Bronco. Here's a link that shows the old lady.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37094
The aerosol TS is solvent based, the emulsion is water based.
I've usd both, and have never had a problem with either.
HOWEVER. Trim Shine isn't a product that Stoner's recommends for tires. For Tires, they specifically have More Shine Less Time For Tires. Matt M, it could very well be that your problem with TS wasn't related to the silicone.
Anyhow, if I had the problems you had, I wouldn't use it either. The MSLT for tires lasts a long time, looks great and doesn't sling.
Tom
I've usd both, and have never had a problem with either.
HOWEVER. Trim Shine isn't a product that Stoner's recommends for tires. For Tires, they specifically have More Shine Less Time For Tires. Matt M, it could very well be that your problem with TS wasn't related to the silicone.
Anyhow, if I had the problems you had, I wouldn't use it either. The MSLT for tires lasts a long time, looks great and doesn't sling.
Tom
imported_Intel486
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Mosca said:
The aerosol is solvent but the 5 gallon jug isn't? Hmmm... never knew that. I've only used two cans of the aerosol ever and that was like 2 years ago.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding here.
I used the More Shine Less Time for Tires on the tires.
I used Trim Shine on my exterior rubber and vinyl.
I also used the Interior Trim Shine on interior bits.
It was because I liked the Tire product was given to me, that I also bought the Trim Shine and Interior Shine products.
If any of the rubber-plastic-vinyl products are solvent based...I'm glad I am not using them anymore. I stopped using the interior product due to dirt attraction. As said above, my exterior trim seemd to develop a dependency on the Stoner stuff. I switched to 303 and have found it to be a nice dull sheen, and the areas stay clean longer.
Mosca..I also have to wonder what you expected Stoner to tell you when you asked about ingredients. They're gonna put some "sell" into it.
I used the More Shine Less Time for Tires on the tires.
I used Trim Shine on my exterior rubber and vinyl.
I also used the Interior Trim Shine on interior bits.
It was because I liked the Tire product was given to me, that I also bought the Trim Shine and Interior Shine products.
If any of the rubber-plastic-vinyl products are solvent based...I'm glad I am not using them anymore. I stopped using the interior product due to dirt attraction. As said above, my exterior trim seemd to develop a dependency on the Stoner stuff. I switched to 303 and have found it to be a nice dull sheen, and the areas stay clean longer.
Mosca..I also have to wonder what you expected Stoner to tell you when you asked about ingredients. They're gonna put some "sell" into it.
imported_Intel486
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Mosca said:
I got them to email me the MSDS for the aerosol Trim shine as compared to the bulk trim shine and it's true. The Aerosol is solvent based. That's interesting.
I'll stick with the 5 gallon pails though. Works just as well as a solvent based dressing and is cheaper.
Geez, Matt. With all due respect, and don't think I'm angry, but I consider Stoner's to be a more reliable source for information concerning the constitution of their products than some guy on an internet discussion forum. I asked what was in Trim Shine, and they answered and offered to fax me the MSDS, which I accepted. All you've done is say that it's "just a silicone spray".
I mean, I respect you and enjoy your posts and like the pics of your car and all, but again, I don't think you're a credible source for product information of that nature. When you say, "I believe Stoner's products caused premature dry rot of my tires," that's credible. When you say, "I don't like the look of the product, it's too shiny for me," that's credible. When you say, "It's just a silicone spray," you are not credible, unless you're a chemist and you provide evidence that you tested the product.
Hopefully, this will be taken in the unemotional spirit it was delivered. I still find your assessment of the product's characteristics in actual use valuable; when you go off on the ingredients tangent your persona weakens dramatically.
Tom
I mean, I respect you and enjoy your posts and like the pics of your car and all, but again, I don't think you're a credible source for product information of that nature. When you say, "I believe Stoner's products caused premature dry rot of my tires," that's credible. When you say, "I don't like the look of the product, it's too shiny for me," that's credible. When you say, "It's just a silicone spray," you are not credible, unless you're a chemist and you provide evidence that you tested the product.
Hopefully, this will be taken in the unemotional spirit it was delivered. I still find your assessment of the product's characteristics in actual use valuable; when you go off on the ingredients tangent your persona weakens dramatically.
Tom
Mosca...understood completely, and I enjoy your posts as well.
Perhaps my comment about silicone spray is a bit harsh. I suppose it could have been worded more along the lines of "it's a spray containing silicones" and that would have been more appropriate....even though I was led to believe by Stoner...years ago...that it was a silicone spray.
When I contacted Stoner years ago, without mentioning what was going on with the tires, I first e-mailed...basically asking about the ingredients. Their initial responses were along the lines of "we are not giving out our trade secrets". I responded that I was merely a consumer more concered about whether the product contained a particular item or not...and I got the same response.
If memory serves me, when I finally called and got a person who would help..they too were very defensive. I called, hat in hand, with what I thought was a reasonable question. This person basically said that all "protectant" type products use silicone as a main ingredient and that Stoner is no different. This is where my understanding came from...back then I never would have thought of asking for an MSDS.
Back then, they were just starting into the consumer market..and maybe they were not equipped to handle consumers...or maybe the guy had yet to have his coffee. I was left with the feeling that they could care less. I hope things have changed.
Perhaps my comment about silicone spray is a bit harsh. I suppose it could have been worded more along the lines of "it's a spray containing silicones" and that would have been more appropriate....even though I was led to believe by Stoner...years ago...that it was a silicone spray.
When I contacted Stoner years ago, without mentioning what was going on with the tires, I first e-mailed...basically asking about the ingredients. Their initial responses were along the lines of "we are not giving out our trade secrets". I responded that I was merely a consumer more concered about whether the product contained a particular item or not...and I got the same response.
If memory serves me, when I finally called and got a person who would help..they too were very defensive. I called, hat in hand, with what I thought was a reasonable question. This person basically said that all "protectant" type products use silicone as a main ingredient and that Stoner is no different. This is where my understanding came from...back then I never would have thought of asking for an MSDS.
Back then, they were just starting into the consumer market..and maybe they were not equipped to handle consumers...or maybe the guy had yet to have his coffee. I was left with the feeling that they could care less. I hope things have changed.
Cool, glad we're on the same wavelength! 
I think they're more consumer savvy now; at least the few times I've called or emailed them, they've been as good as anyone we deal with regularly here. Of course they wouldn't give out trade secrets, but I was given a general idea of the ingredients, including no shame at the inclusion of silicone.
I don't think you're at any great risk of having an ugly car by not using Stoner's; there are lots of great products to choose from, and frankly, Stoner's isn't my first choice, either. But, in my opinion there's nothing about it that makes it appreciably worse than any other product. I like it.
Tom
I think they're more consumer savvy now; at least the few times I've called or emailed them, they've been as good as anyone we deal with regularly here. Of course they wouldn't give out trade secrets, but I was given a general idea of the ingredients, including no shame at the inclusion of silicone.
I don't think you're at any great risk of having an ugly car by not using Stoner's; there are lots of great products to choose from, and frankly, Stoner's isn't my first choice, either. But, in my opinion there's nothing about it that makes it appreciably worse than any other product. I like it.
Tom
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Kragen (and Checker) Auto Parts is selling TS and MSLT for $4 /can this week but offering a $4 rebate as well. I'd like to try some, but what I really need right now is some good protectant for my car trunk and door's weatherstipping - and the rubber that surrounds my moonroof. Would TS work for that sort of stuff?