SPS Graphene coating

Totally disagree with your opinion of SPS products. Been using them a long time. Coated the wife’s suv about 9 months ago, just zero bucket wash it and no detail spray. Outside 24/7 and still rejects water as good as the day I did it. No water spotting at all. I hear the same thing from clients who went with the graphene on the second go around of coating.
 
Mike lambert said:
Totally disagree with your opinion of SPS products. Been using them a long time. Coated the wife’s suv about 9 months ago, just zero bucket wash it and no detail spray. Outside 24/7 and still rejects water as good as the day I did it. No water spotting at all. I hear the same thing from clients who went with the graphene on the second go around of coating.
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The other issue is finding a consumer level product to purchase. I couldn`t find one besides the detail sprays.
 
As far as a consumer product, extremely easy and inexpensive, I’ve been using the spray coating for our 1 year offering, as we don’t believe in wax or sealant, and find it to be an excellent product


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Mike lambert said:
As far as a consumer product, extremely easy and inexpensive, I’ve been using the spray coating for our 1 year offering, as we don’t believe in wax or sealant, and find it to be an excellent product


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So you are recommending the graphene spray detailer and not he graphene coating? I will see if I can find the Adams.
 
hawaiidude said:
Ok Thank you. I guess it sounded like it was one coat and done.

I usually do one coat of CSL and 2 (or until I run out) of exo. I will continue to stick with that. This last coating on my truck has lasted really well.
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Are you looking into trying one of these graphene coatings?

Mike lambert said:
Totally disagree with your opinion of SPS products. Been using them a long time. Coated the wife’s suv about 9 months ago, just zero bucket wash it and no detail spray. Outside 24/7 and still rejects water as good as the day I did it. No water spotting at all. I hear the same thing from clients who went with the graphene on the second go around of coating.
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You may disagree but I have seen no benefit to these so called graphene infused coatings. SPS seems to spot just as much as a ceramic so for me it has not lived up to the less prone to water spotting claims. As a matter of fact it spotted quicker than any other ceramic coating I have used. It is also not as durable and needs constant care. Much more so than a ceramic because once it starts to degrade it degrades fairly quick. It also marrs easier than some of the ceramics I have used.

One of the nice benefits of it is that it is slick to the touch and also the tighter water beading.

As I mentioned in my long thread it is a placebo effect when someone states it looks better than a silica product. Place it side by side and the look is not that noticeable. Especially on a lighter colored paint. We want it to be better so subconsciously we believe it to be better when in reality it is just another variation of a coating whether it is good or bad.

We often get sucked in and drink the kool aid so to speak when the next buzzword comes along. Not saying you did but saying it as a figure of speech.

I am sure the next version of SPS will be much better as they essentially leveraged off the history of silica.

hawaiidude said:
The other issue is finding a consumer level product to purchase. I couldn`t find one besides the detail sprays.
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Plenty of brands offer a graphene infused coating if that is what you are looking for. I listed all of the consumer ones that I was aware of off the top of my head.

hawaiidude said:
I live in Hawaii, they won`t ship it air. Must be a chemical in it that they won`t ship...
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Who won`t ship to Hawaii?
 
The Guz said:
It is also not as durable and needs constant care. Much more so than a ceramic because once it starts to degrade it degrades fairly quick.
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It didn`t much like being ignored from December thru April here in NE Ohio. Was pretty nice from May thru November though, quite nice, actually but Winter took its toll.
 
Mike lambert said:
I’m sorry but I’m not sucked in by the marketing or hype. I find the complete opposite results from what you’ve stated.
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I see you didn`t read it carefully. Where did I say you were sucked in?

BudgetPlan1 said:
It didn`t much like being ignored from December thru April here in NE Ohio. Was pretty nice from May thru November though, quite nice, actually but Winter took its toll.
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Yeah I am already starting to see it degrade on my personal car again after a few months and I have been topping it with the spray detailer about every other wash.
 
It seems graphene coatings must have a chemical that cannot be air shipped. So I have not found anyone what will ship to hawaii.

I am totally not buying into the hype but I would like to try and test it out. I`m willing to give it a shot especially if it means it`s easier to apply. My truck goes through a lot and CSL/EXO has been pretty good but can be a lot of work to apply. But maybe I`m just being cry baby.
 
If you find Exo and CSL to be a lot of work to apply I suggest you lower your expectations when trialling other coatings because they don`t come much easier.
 
Fun observation. My charger is half sps graphene, half csl+exo...gtech parts are a year older as I polished off half of it to install sps a while back.

Anyways car has sat outside for two plus weeks and it rained a few times and my car is a spotted leopard.

Well I finally washed it (si02 soap from mckees and dried with the sps detailer + gauntlet towel) and the only panels that had water spots are my gtech panels.

So I guess now I have some panels to test products on after I get rid of the water spots!

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So after reading through this thread it seems that there are "conflicting" viewpoints from personal experiences with SPS coating.
If it is does not last as long as "traditional" ceramic coatings and is just, if not more, prone to waterspotting as Guz suggests, then why use it??
Mike lambert says his experience is just the opposite and 512detail has some "observations" of his own on the waterspotting.

As Accumulator always says, "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary)

Makes one wonder about the "perceived" protection afforded by the appearance of water beading. There is no doubt that intense hydroscopic water beading has long been an accepted standard for any carnauba wax that it was still there on the surface. The more round and small, the better, hence my use of the word "perceived". Perhaps "disillusion" would be better. I sometimes wonder if this ultra-hydroscopicity (ya, there is no such word, but it sounds good) is a contributor to waterspotting. It sure seems to be if my vehicles with wax on them sits out in the sun for an extended after a rain. That may be a different experience if a vehicle that is coated with SPS is driven while it is raining and the unique self-cleaning characteristics of this coating greatly diminishes this waterspotting. Just some "logical" thoughts on waterspotting.
 
Lonnie said:
So after reading through this thread it seems that there are "conflicting" viewpoints from personal experiences with SPS coating.
If it is does not last as long as "traditional" ceramic coatings and is just, if not more, prone to waterspotting as Guz suggests, then why use it??
Mike lambert says his experience is just the opposite and 512detail has some "observations" of his own on the waterspotting.

As Accumulator always says, "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary)

Makes one wonder about the "perceived" protection afforded by the appearance of water beading. There is no doubt that intense hydroscopic water beading has long been an accepted standard for any carnauba wax that it was still there on the surface. The more round and small, the better, hence my use of the word "perceived". Perhaps "disillusion" would be better. I sometimes wonder if this ultra-hydroscopicity (ya, there is no such word, but it sounds good) is a contributor to waterspotting. It sure seems to be if my vehicles with wax on them sits out in the sun for an extended after a rain. That may be a different experience if a vehicle that is coated with SPS is driven while it is raining and the unique self-cleaning characteristics of this coating greatly diminishes this waterspotting. Just some "logical" thoughts on waterspotting.
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I think you might find that with any coating; I`ve never had `natural` water spotting issues (permanent that couldn`t be removed w/ a simple wash) on any coating I`ve used.

I did have an isolated incident once when my car was parked in the garage under a dirty, dusty copper water line and the cold water running through the line on a 90+ degree day caused condensation to drip from the line onto my hood. I pulled my coated car out into the sun to clean it off, an unexpected incident arose and hadda leave quickly, leaving my car out in full sun (again, 90+ degrees) for the next 48hrs. It left 3 spots that a water spot remover wouldn`t budge. When I got around to polishing the hood, the water spots were easily removed during the `spread the polish around` prelude to doing a section.

Maybe more regional as I`d guess getting hit by sprinklers on a hot sunny day in Florida (especially in an area...the Southeast perhaps) that is known for high Sulphur content in their municipal water wouldn`t be good for anyone.

I thought I heard a story once about Meguiars or some other mfg attempting to convince people that beading was NOT a sign of protection but the general public wasn`t having none of that.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
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Maybe more regional as I`d guess getting hit by sprinklers on a hot sunny day in Florida (especially in an area...the Southeast perhaps) that is known for high Sulphur content in their municipal water wouldn`t be good for anyone.

I thought I heard a story once about Meguiars or some other mfg attempting to convince people that beading was NOT a sign of protection but the general public wasn`t having none of that.
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Ask Sizzle Chest about the waterspotting problems he has seen on the vehicles he has detailed in Florida. It is exactly as you have stated.

This water beading phenomena is kind of an ingrained into the vehicle owner (and now lessee) public from the days of car waxes. It is in my mind, but I am old school. To have an LSP, regardless of its type, that has a sheeting water characteristic is almost loathed by the car-care product consumer for this reason.
When some car-care manufacturer figures out an LSP formulation that has ultra-cleaning characteristics as the water runs and sheets off (NOT rolls; that is what beading does) and looks absolutely pristine and shiny after a rain from just sitting there on a vehicle, that would be the Holy Grail of LSPs.

Like I predicted (Oh ya, another title for Captain Obvious; "prophet") some day all cars will be base coat white and then factory-wrapped in a protective plastic film (PPF) with the myriad of colors for the car owner (lessee) to choose from. Don`t like the color the vehicle came with, change it. Some area has scratches or stone chips, just re-wrap that panel. I can foresee a type of film that sheets water and self-cleans and negates the need to wash if it rains (does not apply to southern California according to the 1970`s Albert Hammond song "It Never Rains in Southern California"). Keep dreaming, Captain Obvious.
 
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