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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
Since we seem to be in the discussion of controversial subjects, try this one.

CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington .

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation, funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi-Nothing.

8. BMW-Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat-Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August 2001.

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi-Nothing..

14. Nissan-Nothing.

15. Porsche-Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.

17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota-Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ...

It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

BUY YOUR NEXT VEHICLE FROM GM, FORD OR CHRYSLER.
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FWIW, I can't vouch for the accuracy of any of this.
 
Charles those are US based companies helping out with US issues...also the US car mfgers have as much a chance to entice the Americans to buy US...fact is they haven't been making cars as well and reliable as some of our off shore car companies.

But I do have a Ford pickup....and prior to that I had Jeeps 3 of them
 
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Charles I think this is a generational thing
We were here during WWII
My grandson works for Toyota and I could get one at a huge discount but I will not buy one.

Their was a time back in the 80's that the big3 had quality problems,
Now they have a perception problem.

The Imports are perceived to be better when you take time to investigate this you will see why I use the word perceived.

The new Toyota 6speed transmissions are failing the new Tundra is breaking camshafts.

What about the sludge problem with thousands of engines blowing up.

It took several years and a class action law suite to get Toyota to warranty their engines.

If you want to see outrageous maintenance cost buy a BMW

I drive Fords and have no need to try to act like I'm rich and drive a Mercedes or BMW I drive American and dam proud of it,

Latest report came out a couple weeks ago and Ford had 16 models that ranked highest in safety ratings.
They have several models that score higher than all others for reliability.
The quality is coming back and it will continue to improve

GM has more models that gets 30mpg than Toyota or Honda

Their is perceived and their is reality.

For me I will not buy one of those motorized skateboards even if gas goes back up to $5.00 per gallon.
 
The only reason US cars are as reliable and better equipped is because of the Japanese car makers. Otherwise, we would still have Chevy Citations ....my first and worse new car experience...I never trusted GM again.

I do not think Japanese cars are significantly better. My MKZ (all the Fusion/Milan/MKZX line) is made in Mexico and many Chryslers are made in Canada. A US made Toyota does as much good to the US economy as buying a Fusion/MKZ in my opinion.

It seems ok to buy US brands made elsewhere but not Japanese brands made here.

The unions agreed to delay getting billions to sustain their retiree health fund and workers no longer get automatic 95% salary when out of work....
 
Just keep in mind that no car is 100% American made. I don't know the statistics off hand and I am not going to look them up, but I think it only takes a certain percentage of American parts and workmanship to be considered "American made." That Ford you drive might not be as American as you think.
 
JaredPointer said:
Just keep in mind that no car is 100% American made. I don't know the statistics off hand and I am not going to look them up, but I think it only takes a certain percentage of American parts and workmanship to be considered "American made." That Ford you drive might not be as American as you think.
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We can argue about the percentage of USA parts but anyone care to
debate what country receives the profits
And how many US jobs that money creates
 
black bart said:
If you want to see outrageous maintenance cost buy a BMW
I drive Fords and have no need to try to act like I'm rich and drive a Mercedes or BMW I drive American and dam proud of it,

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First not one of my BMW's has cost a cent to maintain.

And I don't need to act like I'm rich, I just happen to like the way they drive and feel.
 
Ronkh said:
First not one of my BMW's has cost a cent to maintain.

And I don't need to act like I'm rich, I just happen to like the way they drive and feel.
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If you have a old one and ignore the factory recommendation you could pass on the $235.00 oil change.
If you get the one that call for the 10 quarts of TWS 15w60 at $10.95 per quart and then you get to pay the BMW price for changing it.
Why can't they build and engine that don't need 60 weight oil :passout:
 
black bart said:
We can argue about the percentage of USA parts but anyone care to
debate what country receives the profits
And how many US jobs that money creates
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I would prefer a company that hired American workers than one that was just based here but made all profits on international operations.

This profit often gets hidden by tax write-offs etc so less trickle downs to people. If anything, it is given to investors (not just here but around the world).

This is reflected in our economy today and I do not think it is good. This is why corporate profits had been up for the last few years but the average salary has been flat or falling in constant dollars.

People are getting let go from mfg jobs and getting lower paid jobs in more service industries with less benefits. This is the trickle down effect -- sometimes it does not benefit those at the bottom.
 
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