Something i find funny.

The Fuzz said:
The Auto Wax Company, Inc. aka Auto Magic owns the patents to detailing clay. KEL, the company that makes the Erazer brand "elastic: clay who also private labeled clay for numerous other companies has been court ordered to cease production and sales of his version of detailing clay. He was found guilty of patent infringement.

http://www.claymagic.net/news.htm

The Fuzz knows law. :naughty
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The thing that is hilarious is if you go to www.erazer.com, you will see this message:

Over the past several years, Kucala Enterprises Ltd. has incurred enormous expenses associated with patent litigation, in order to solidify its future in the marketplace. Kucala's primary objective of the patent litigation has been a total and complete obliterating success.
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Total and complete obliterating success?

Hardly. Claymagic told Kucala:
:doubleduc
 
Auto Wax's patent is not totally binding, at least not how they think it is. They don't go after the big guys like 3M, Meguiars, etc as they have the money to hire competent lawyers that would trounce all over Autowax. So they make deals with the bigger companies and then go after the small guy and the purpose is to not only win the lawsuit but to put the small guy out of business all together.

This is too bad as Kucala's clay is far better than Automagics. Good thing I have 2 cases left.
 
The Fuzz said:
I beg to differ. I was detailing a black car under some pretty awesome halogens when I busted out with the blue Clay Magic fine grade bar. When using just clear water for a lubricant, the clay marred the paint. When I started using Wolfgang Clay Lubricant, the clay no longer marred the paint. I spritzed the paint with alcohol afterwards to make sure that the lube wasn't covering up any marring. It wasn't covering anything up, it was preventing the marring from even happening.

If you want to see what a lousy lubricant pure water is, try running it in your engine instead of oil and see what happens. :naughty When using a mild abrasive such as clay, I highly suggest using a designated lubricant. Take it from Tyrell Fuzzard, I want you to have the best detailing experience and get the best results that you can possibly get.
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Then perhaps you were doing it wrong? I have yet to marr any paint just using water. And by using the water vs. oil in your engine analogy...you might want to think about what you are comparing before going down that road any further.

To each their own...
 
Yes I have never left any marring behind with just water either. Nothing wrong with using a lubricant, just not nescessary. Obviously water in place of your oil would be bad but I believe that is comparing apples and oranges.
 
Its your personal prefrence and how confident you are in your own skills. Hell I've washed cars and before rinsing i go ahead and clay. Most wouldn't do this becuase they are unsure of it. thinking maybe they will scratch the paint or marr it.
 
TrueDetailer said:
Its your personal prefrence and how confident you are in your own skills. Hell I've washed cars and before rinsing i go ahead and clay. Most wouldn't do this becuase they are unsure of it. thinking maybe they will scratch the paint or marr it.
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You mean that you simply put soap on the dirty car, don't rinse, and proceed to clay it? Talk about a recipe for disaster!

:eek :wait
 
Rob Tomlin said:
You mean that you simply put soap on the dirty car, don't rinse, and proceed to clay it? Talk about a recipe for disaster!

:eek :wait
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like i said its how confident you are in your skills. I wouldn't do it if i knew i would scratch the car. And i never have. Now of course i would rinse if it looked like it came out of the mud pit.

Please don't tell me what i do is wrong either. thats what seperates the men from the boys.
 
TrueDetailer said:
like i said its how confident you are in your skills. I wouldn't do it if i knew i would scratch the car. And i never have. Now of course i would rinse if it looked like it came out of the mud pit.

Please don't tell me what i do is wrong either. thats what seperates the men from the boys.
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Sorry, skill has nothing to do with it in this case. NOTHING.

If your car is dirty, and you don't rinse the dirt away, and that dirt gets imbedded in the clay, it WILL scratch/marr the paint. If that is what you are doing, yes, I'm afraid that I consider it to be "wrong". If that makes me a "Boy", so be it.

I know some people clay their car while washing it, but this is only AFTER they thoroughly wash and RINSE the car. Instead of proceeding to dry it after washing and rinsing, they go back with a clean (2nd) bucket of soap and use that as the lubrication for the clay. That certainly seems a lot safer than your method.
 
why not just use the lubricant that comes with the clay? alot of people on here are talking about price, but how much money have we invested in products? for sure we have some QD laying around that can be used. i guess it goes back to experience. i have always been a stickler for using whatever the manufacterer reccomends and i do that for a reason. yeah, all of the companys want you to buy thier product, but there is R&D behind this stuff. they dont just throw a product out there and say "Hey, you have to buy this too or you will die!" These products work "best" with each other and thats what i am after...the best outcome thats been proven time and time again in labs with hours and hours of testing on many different applications.

call me gullible, but i will stick with my ways of doing things that are reccomended by the manufacturer (most of the time).
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Sorry, skill has nothing to do with it in this case. NOTHING.

If your car is dirty, and you don't rinse the dirt away, and that dirt gets imbedded in the clay, it WILL scratch/marr the paint. If that is what you are doing, yes, I'm afraid that I consider it to be "wrong". If that makes me a "Boy", so be it.

I know some people clay their car while washing it, but this is only AFTER they thoroughly wash and RINSE the car. Instead of proceeding to dry it after washing and rinsing, they go back with a clean (2nd) bucket of soap and use that as the lubrication for the clay. That certainly seems a lot safer than your method.
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its all good don't want to start a flame war. You consider it wrong and you don't do it. I've done it plenty of times before. And i'm confident in myself which is why i do it. like i said i wouldn't do it if i was hurting the car.
 
TrueDetailer said:
its all good don't want to start a flame war. You consider it wrong and you don't do it. I've done it plenty of times before. And i'm confident in myself which is why i do it. like i said i wouldn't do it if i was hurting the car.
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I just don't understand why you don't just go ahead and rinse the car before claying it. It's not like it takes a lot of effort or extra time, and it would most certainly be safer.

No flame war intended at all. I'm just stating my opinion, and with regard to this issue, I feel pretty strong about it. We're all here to help each other with detailing, and I don't think it is a good idea that anyone do what you are doing.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I just don't understand why you don't just go ahead and rinse the car before claying it. It's not like it takes a lot of effort or extra time, and it would most certainly be safer.

No flame war intended at all. I'm just stating my opinion, and with regard to this issue, I feel pretty strong about it. We're all here to help each other with detailing, and I don't think it is a good idea that anyone do what you are doing.
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i understand that it only takes a few moment to rinse it off but sometimes time is short. I first started doing this at a dealership. Might i add it has one of the highest scores for how the cars are delivered in the country.just look up bartow ford. ok so i thought at one time it was unsafe until the head detailer at the time was doing it. now he's old school and been detailing since way before voc laws were so strict. he tought me alot of what i know. well anyways i probably did over 5000 cars this way at the dealership. i never had any problems with scratches or anything. I know everyone will say that i'm crazy but to each his own. I say if you can do something one way and get away with it do it. don't be afraid to try new things because one says its unsafe. they only say that cause they don't do it them self.

i bet you would also say its unsafe to use acid on windows,paint,plastics. Or to use a pressure washer on a car or motor. Doing thing like this is what seperates true detailers from a driveway detailer.
 
daos said:
why not just use the lubricant that comes with the clay? alot of people on here are talking about price, but how much money have we invested in products? for sure we have some QD laying around that can be used. i guess it goes back to experience. i have always been a stickler for using whatever the manufacterer reccomends and i do that for a reason. yeah, all of the companys want you to buy thier product, but there is R&D behind this stuff. they dont just throw a product out there and say "Hey, you have to buy this too or you will die!" These products work "best" with each other and thats what i am after...the best outcome thats been proven time and time again in labs with hours and hours of testing on many different applications.

call me gullible, but i will stick with my ways of doing things that are reccomended by the manufacturer (most of the time).
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Not really any hours and hours put into R&D. Most clay lubricants are some form of water and surfacants. Many put in glycerin as the lubricant. So mix up your own soap and water or add some glycerin to it and you have the same product.
 
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