Junebug
JAFO
Picus, how do you really feel? Since I've not tried PG, what is it that causes such profound dislike? I use 91 and altough I wish it didn't dust , I still grab it first for most things.
SIP and M105
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ajnavo61490
AJ Auto Detail, LLC
RAG said:
what about the purple wool pad?
SuperBee364
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ajnavo61490 said:
The purple foamed wool pad will give you all the correction you could ever need with M105, and finishes out *very* nicely. I was able to get out some really deep rids in two applications of 105 and PFW. I even did three applications in a couple areas on a trunk, but that was pretty stupid of me to do without a paint thickness gauge. :nervous2:
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:
EisenHulk said:Check. Check. And in two days....CHECK!
Check. Check. And as of two hours ago...CHECK!
Now all I have to do is figure out whether the Dark Green Denali, with plenty of swirls, will require the 105 with the PFW, or whether SIP will do the job. :help:
Eisen Hulk
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I'll have mine tomorrow, Rob. Can't wait to try it out. In the meantime, I'll be polishing the tubes on a 27' pontoon boat. So, have you shipped that Makita yet? :nana:
Rob Tomlin said:Check. Check. And as of two hours ago...CHECK!
Now all I have to do is figure out whether the Dark Green Denali, with plenty of swirls, will require the 105 with the PFW, or whether SIP will do the job. :help:
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
EisenHulk said:
Yes...it's in the mail!
:nervous:
SuperBee364
New member
Rob Tomlin said:Check. Check. And as of two hours ago...CHECK!
Now all I have to do is figure out whether the Dark Green Denali, with plenty of swirls, will require the 105 with the PFW, or whether SIP will do the job. :help:
Rob, I know you're busy, but I'd love to see a Click-n-Brag on that Denali with details of your process. Maybe if you get time??
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:Rob, I know you're busy, but I'd love to see a Click-n-Brag on that Denali with details of your process. Maybe if you get time??
Sure, that's actually a good idea.
It should be a good candidate since the swirls are pretty noticeable, and it is a gorgeous dark green metallic. I expect the improvement to be rather dramatic.
My plan of action is to start with the PFW and SIP on a section, and see how much correction I get with that combo. If it requires a lot of work to get 100% (or close) correction, I will go to the 105.
I may run into a problem though. I only have two PFW pads, and I have my doubts that that will be enough for this rather large vehicle. I don't have a spurring tool either.
I do have an orange LC foam pad as well, that I may need to use as a backup.
SuperBee364
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Yeah, on a big SUV like that, I would guess it would take about four PFW's to complete. Without a spur, twice that. You should be able to use the orange foam indefinitely as long as you have a brush or an MF you can use to keep the pores clean. If you have any pads more gentle than the orange, they would work well, too.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:
Yep, I have a white LC pad as well.
Is there anything else I can use around the house as a make shift spurring tool for the PFW?
SuperBee364
New member
Not that I can think of...:nixweiss
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:
:aww:
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jordanrossbell
New member
how about trying a grout brush...look in the painting supply at walmart..98 cents...they are stiff bristled nylon like and would hold up better than a toothbrush...they are light blue in color
imported_Picus
New member
JuneBug said:
Oh I don't dislike it in general. It has a ton of cut and sometimes when you need a ton of cut it's nice to have PG to get the job done. It's just the actually part where you need to use it. It bogs down pads quickly, it dusts like crazy, it's finicky on a lot of paint. It's just generally a pain in the ***. But it works.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
jordanrossbell said:
Thanks, that may be worth a shot.
SuperBee364
New member
Eeek. Don't use a brush on the PFW pad. It'll lose hair faster than Bruce Willis off Rogaine.
PFW's don't last long as it is.. a brush will kill it off much sooner.
Rob, you might want to consider keeping the PFW's for the (usually in worse shape) horizontal surfaces that need extra bite, then just use white (or even black or red) LC foam for the rest. This is all assuming that you'll be using M105 as your correcting polish. 105 has so much correcting power that the pad is kinda irrelevant. You'll get more correcting with PFW or pure wool compounding pads, yeah, but whether you use a yellow LC foam (most agressive) or black LC foam (no bite) doesn't really seem to affect it's correcting power much, if at all. The softness of the foam does effect 105's ability to finish. The softer the foam, the better. White, black, red, blue LC foam pads will give you a much better finish than the orange, and won't noticeably effect 105's bite. Thanks to Dave1 for the idea of using the white LC foam. It's *much* easier to use with 105 than the orange. Although PFW is (for me at least) easier to use than foam with 105.
PFW's don't last long as it is.. a brush will kill it off much sooner.
Rob, you might want to consider keeping the PFW's for the (usually in worse shape) horizontal surfaces that need extra bite, then just use white (or even black or red) LC foam for the rest. This is all assuming that you'll be using M105 as your correcting polish. 105 has so much correcting power that the pad is kinda irrelevant. You'll get more correcting with PFW or pure wool compounding pads, yeah, but whether you use a yellow LC foam (most agressive) or black LC foam (no bite) doesn't really seem to affect it's correcting power much, if at all. The softness of the foam does effect 105's ability to finish. The softer the foam, the better. White, black, red, blue LC foam pads will give you a much better finish than the orange, and won't noticeably effect 105's bite. Thanks to Dave1 for the idea of using the white LC foam. It's *much* easier to use with 105 than the orange. Although PFW is (for me at least) easier to use than foam with 105.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:
LOL at the Bruce Willis line!
Wow. Thanks for posting this info. I'll just use the PFW as much as I can until they are loaded up, then I will use either the white or orange LC CCS pads that I have for whatever is left.
I plan on trying the PFW with SIP first, but I am SURE that I will also be using some 105 as well.
As luck would have it....we have a 50% chance of T-Storms this weekend. :wall
SuperBee364
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Yeah, we went from record breaking high temps two days ago (90 degrees) to record cold temps today (49), and it's been raining pretty much non-stop since early this morning.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
We had two full blown tornadoes touch down about 4 miles from here yesterday. Yes, I live in SoCal! Derailed a freight train too. Unreal. 
There is a 40% chance of rain through Saturday (when I was planning on doing the detail to the Denali). Even though I work in my garage, I don't know if I will be going forward with this. It will be relatively cold, high humidity, and the possibility of rain on a freshly polished/sealed Denali isn't good.
Check it out:
Wild spring storm brings tornadoes, hail, snow, debris slides to Southern California - Los Angeles Times
There is a 40% chance of rain through Saturday (when I was planning on doing the detail to the Denali). Even though I work in my garage, I don't know if I will be going forward with this. It will be relatively cold, high humidity, and the possibility of rain on a freshly polished/sealed Denali isn't good.
Check it out:
Wild spring storm brings tornadoes, hail, snow, debris slides to Southern California - Los Angeles Times
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
SuperBee364 said:Rob, I know you're busy, but I'd love to see a Click-n-Brag on that Denali with details of your process. Maybe if you get time??
The weather (as posted above) was pretty bad this weekend, and the Denali stays outside, so I passed on detailing it this weekend, as I didn't want to go through all that trouble just to have it rained on the same day that it was detailed.
So, instead, I went over to my friends house and detailed his '57 Ford F100. This was a true test for M105, as the paint on the hood was in horrendous condition. As it turned out, this was a much better test for m105 than the Denali ever would have been.
I have to say that my initial reaction was not positive though. I was getting probably 10-15 seconds (at best) working time, and lots of "flashing" (is that the right term for when the polish dries to the paint and won't polish out?).
I started with yellow LC foam since I only had two PFW pads, as I didn't want to use them up early, thinking that this was going to require several passes on the hood. Things got better when I went to the PFW (actually a LOT better), but I still had flashing and short working time, just not to the same extent.
M105 definitely has a learning curve involved, but if you stay with it, the results can be amazing:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/107420-1957-ford-f-100-a.html#post1128741