Should I remove multiple SG layers before I clay, or after?

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

I'm with Accum on this one... I'm a huge KSG fan and always will be. While I haven't put that many layers of KSG on my car, my LSP schedule consists of 3 layers of KSG for winter (starting last week, next layer going on tonight, and 3rd probably in 2-3 weeks) and I've always found it to last easily into March through a Chicago winter. Yes my M3 won't be driven pretty much at all during the winter but I've had two years of this on my old 328, which was a daily driver year round, and KSG definitely can layer (from my non scientific testing) and lasts longer than anything I've tried (currently picked up Blackfire Wet Diamond to give it a shot as I've heard great things about it).



During summer months I put a layer of KSG on, usually around April sometime, and then top it with P21S every 4-5 weeks. Then it's back to a light polish if necessary and 3 KSG layers in November.



Accum, I know we talked about this before, but what exactly is your procedure for applying/removing KSG?

 

[Kean]

fyi.... The Shamrocks are BOGO right now @ Autogeek (microfiber towels, microfiber cleaning towel, best microfiber towel, microfiber buffing towel, detailing towel). I bought a couple to try out a few days ago when I was taking advantage of some other BOGO items.

 

[Accumulator]

Accum, I know we talked about this before, but what exactly is your procedure for applying/removing KSG?

I hold the (otherwise dry) foam applicator over the mouth of the KSG bottle and shake it; this deposits a tiny drop of KSG on the applicator. Then I move the applicator and shake again, depositing another drop. I repeat this a few times and then fold the applicator in half and rub the halves together to distribute the KSG more evenly. I get the applicator barely damp with KSG, just enough for it to glide across the finish.



I then wipe it on the vehicle until the applicator dries out enough that it starts to drag, whereupon I repeat the priming process.



I have to work methodically, by feel, as it goes on too thinly for me to really see it.



I W-O-W-O on black plastic and other outside-the-box surfaces, but otherwise I let it dry for a good long time, often overnight, which is often just a matter of not wanting to spend forever working on it as I generally only use KSG on the minivan and that's a pretty big job (I do the jambs/etc. too).



I buff it off with a plush MF, fogging the surface with my breath- the little bit of moisture seems to make it buff off better.

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

I hold the (otherwise dry) foam applicator over the mouth of the KSG bottle and shake it; this deposits a tiny drop of KSG on the applicator. Then I move the applicator and shake again, depositing another drop. I repeat this a few times and then fold the applicator in half and rub the halves together to distribute the KSG more evenly. I get the applicator barely damp with KSG, just enough for it to glide across the finish.



I then wipe it on the vehicle until the applicator dries out enough that it starts to drag, whereupon I repeat the priming process.



I have to work methodically, by feel, as it goes on too thinly for me to really see it.



I W-O-W-O on black plastic and other outside-the-box surfaces, but otherwise I let it dry for a good long time, often overnight, which is often just a matter of not wanting to spend forever working on it as I generally only use KSG on the minivan and that's a pretty big job (I do the jambs/etc. too).



I buff it off with a plush MF, fogging the surface with my breath- the little bit of moisture seems to make it buff off better.

Gotcha, so very similar to mine... http://www.autopia.org/forum/profes...n/120305-klasse-hgsg-application-removal.html

 

[Accumulator]

Yeah, though you're using a *LOT* more KSG than I am, and putting it on way thicker. No, that's not criticism

 

[imported_Ivan Rajic]

Yeah, though you're using a *LOT* more KSG than I am, and putting it on way thicker. No, that's not criticism

I actually put that much just for the photos to make it obvious and easier to see. You know very well how hard KSG is to photograph or even see on paint, so figured a lot would help. I usually use about 1 of those 2 'blobs' seen on the applicator in those photos... don't know whether or not that's more or less but it's been doing fine either way.

 

[Accumulator]

I actually put that much just for the photos to make it obvious and easier to see. You know very well how hard KSG is to photograph or even see on paint...

Yeah, I was thinking that I could never get any photos of what I do...now I get what you mean :xyxthumbs

 

[Passrat]

I hold the (otherwise dry) foam applicator over the mouth of the KSG bottle and shake it; this deposits a tiny drop of KSG on the applicator. Then I move the applicator and shake again, depositing another drop. I repeat this a few times and then fold the applicator in half and rub the halves together to distribute the KSG more evenly. I get the applicator barely damp with KSG, just enough for it to glide across the finish.



I then wipe it on the vehicle until the applicator dries out enough that it starts to drag, whereupon I repeat the priming process.



I have to work methodically, by feel, as it goes on too thinly for me to really see it.



I W-O-W-O on black plastic and other outside-the-box surfaces, but otherwise I let it dry for a good long time, often overnight, which is often just a matter of not wanting to spend forever working on it as I generally only use KSG on the minivan and that's a pretty big job (I do the jambs/etc. too).



I buff it off with a plush MF, fogging the surface with my breath- the little bit of moisture seems to make it buff off better.

That's sure is a lot of hot air..!











I get a ton of lint off of the shamrocks. That's my only problem with them. After about 4-5 washings it's still there, although I havent put them in the dryer. Would that get rid of it and do you have the same problem?



I also use them with the DG Spritz, that's nice stuff. I was using Megs 135, which was over Megs #35, but have obviously switched to a DGSpritz over about a half a bottle of KSG. :chuckle:





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[khjr]

I also use them with the DG Spritz, that's nice stuff. I was using Megs 135, which was over Megs #35, but have obviously switched to a DGSpritz over about a half a bottle of KSG.

When you run out of those, you may wish to try the Sonus Spritz QD and especially the Sonus Glanz, which is made with the Klasse resins. I've been applying alternating layers of polycharged KSG and polycharged Glanz on my hood, and have found the results to be amazing - superior to what I got from laying down layers of polycharged KSG alone. Application technique has been to spray the Glanz on, spread it with a damp microfiber sponge, then wipe off with Sonus buffing towels.

 

[Accumulator]

That's sure is a lot of hot air..!

Wooh-hooh, you've got *my* number all right

I get a ton of lint off of the shamrocks. That's my only problem with them. After about 4-5 washings it's still there, although I havent put them in the dryer. Would that get rid of it and do you have the same problem?

Yeah, they *are* lint-monsters! I do find that the dryer helps a lot, and man is ther a lot of green MF lint on the dryer's lint filter I got a bunch of them for my pal with the Jag showcar, and I laundered/dried them a few times before handing them over; he says there's no real lint issue with those. I still get some linting with my own Shamrocks, but it's getting better.

When you run out of those, you may wish to try the Sonus Spritz QD and especially the Sonus Glanz, which is made with the Klasse resins..

Yeah, I tried that Sonus Acrylic Glanz recently and I really like it. *I* still prefer KSG overall, but when time is short the Sonus is a lot better than just using a super-QD.