Should I follow 106ff with P085rd

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SuperBee364 said:
Yes, PCL is a cleaner that also will fill in and conceal swirls and minor scratches/defects/holograms. Most of the time, it's kaolin clay that is used to provide the concealing ability.



And Yes, PCL will totally destroy the longevity of a sealant. It's meant to be used before a carnauba, not a sealant. If you are interested in using a sealant based "glaze" you might want to try Danase Wet Glaze. It doesn't have much in the way of concealing ability, but it really amps the gloss level, and makes a sealant look less like a hard shell candy coating. It's really easy to use, too.



Would Wolfgang's PCL be considered a sealant based "glaze" since the entire line is supposed built around their sealant 3.0?
 
termigator said:
Would Wolfgang's PCL be considered a sealant based "glaze" since the entire line is supposed built around their sealant 3.0?



Yeesh... I have no idea.. I've never used Wolfgang's before. Just as a general rule, though, if you're going to mix layers of sealants and waxes, it's best to put the wax over the sealant than the sealant over a wax.
 
You want to do the IPA wipedown after the jeweling, and before any pre-LSP you're going to apply.



I think we might want to back up a bit.... here's the process....



When you get done with your last application of an abrasive polish (some guys call this the jeweling step), you will have some polish residue left on the paint. This residue can conceal defects, holograms, etc. So now you do an IPA wipedown to remove all of the polish residue. Now your paint is truly bare. You'll be able to see (and correct) any remaining defects and/or holograms in the finish. If you have to go back and correct some defects, you'll want to go back over it with IPA again, so you can make sure you truly got the stuff out.



Now, after you have done the IPA wipedown is when you would apply your pre-LSP step, like Paintwork Cleansing lotion, Red Moose Machine Glaze, Menerna Final Touch Glaze, Danase Wet Glaze, Wolfgangs, etc. When you apply any (well, most) of these products, they will provide additional concealing of remaining defects. Danase Wet Glaze is a notable exception. It has about zero ability to conceal any defects. After this step, you would then apply your LSP.



Summary:



Abrasive polish steps:

1. Correction

2. removing componding marks

3. jeweling



Post abrasive polish steps:



1. IPA wipedown to completely remove any polish residue

2. re-polish any defects or holos found

3. IPA wipedown of any areas re polished



Pre LSP steps:



1. Apply the pre-lsp as appropriate for the job.

2. Apply an lsp appropriate for the product used in step one.
 
SuperBee364 said:
You want to do the IPA wipedown after the jeweling, and before any pre-LSP you're going to apply.



I think we might want to back up a bit.... here's the process....



When you get done with your last application of an abrasive polish (some guys call this the jeweling step), you will have some polish residue left on the paint. This residue can conceal defects, holograms, etc. So now you do an IPA wipedown to remove all of the polish residue. Now your paint is truly bare. You'll be able to see (and correct) any remaining defects and/or holograms in the finish. If you have to go back and correct some defects, you'll want to go back over it with IPA again, so you can make sure you truly got the stuff out



Now, after you have done the IPA wipedown is when you would apply your pre-LSP step, like Paintwork Cleansing lotion, Red Moose Machine Glaze, Menerna Final Touch Glaze, Danase Wet Glaze, Wolfgangs, etc. When you apply any (well, most) of these products, they will provide additional concealing of remaining defects. Danase Wet Glaze is a notable exception. It has about zero ability to conceal any defects. After this step, you would then apply your LSP.



Summary:



Abrasive polish steps:

1. Correction

2. removing componding marks

3. jeweling



Post abrasive polish steps:



1. IPA wipedown to completely remove any polish residue

2. re-polish any defects or holos found

3. IPA wipedown of any areas re polished



Pre LSP steps:



1. Apply the pre-lsp as appropriate for the job.

2. Apply an lsp appropriate for the product used in step one.

:2thumbs:Right on Super
 
jw said:
So the Alcohol wipedown won't remove the jeweling effect?



Adding to SuperBee364's explanation, no, the IPA won't remove the jeweling effect because the jeweling is an *abrasive* process, just a really, really mild one.



SuperBee364 said:
And Yes, PCL will totally destroy the longevity of a sealant...



Noting that I'd say the same thing, something occurred to me last night:



I used to use PCL prior to the (now-discontinued, but I have a lot of it) Pinnacle Creme Glaz. This is a synthetic blend that may or may not be what people would consider a "sealant". It was touted as being the synthetic LSP in the Pinnacle line. It worked fine over PCL.



But I guess it's not a *sealant* in the sense that certain synthetic products are. Just dunno about Wolfgang...I put that in the same group as UPP and BlackFire, both of which can be used over certain things but not over others.



Gee, maybe the preceding was a complete waste of bandwidth :o Just sorta thinking out loud...
 
I like it when you think out loud.



Accumulator said:
Adding to SuperBee364's explanation, no, the IPA won't remove the jeweling effect because the jeweling is an *abrasive* process, just a really, really mild one.







Noting that I'd say the same thing, something occurred to me last night:



I used to use PCL prior to the (now-discontinued, but I have a lot of it) Pinnacle Creme Glaz. This is a synthetic blend that may or may not be what people would consider a "sealant". It was touted as being the synthetic LSP in the Pinnacle line. It worked fine over PCL.



But I guess it's not a *sealant* in the sense that certain synthetic products are. Just dunno about Wolfgang...I put that in the same group as UPP and BlackFire, both of which can be used over certain things but not over others.



Gee, maybe the preceding was a complete waste of bandwidth :o Just sorta thinking out loud...
 
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