Shmitt of a problem

[Brian_Brice]

Look at the Viking Mitts at Kmart and AutoZone

hey thanks for the heads up wanna, ive seen many viking products but never a mf mit with a long nap like that. I'd feel comfortable using something like that, there are many mf mits out there i wouldnt, i do however use them on wheelwells and doorjambs though.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm a bit bummed too that after paying so much, mine is also looking pretty ragged and I've only used it about a dozen times. The thing I like about the shmitt is that it holds the wash solution so much better than a sheepskin. Those things lose half the water before it's to the panel.

That is why I liked it as well. I got maring from the first time I used it. I even got a PM from the guy whos company sells them asking me why I thought I was getting maring that the Schmitt was designed to be used with something like ONR with no marring. I replied back to him and that was over 6 weeks ago and he never replied back to me. That says something about the company and product to me.

 

[steelwind101]

David Fermani, prehapes what im saying isnt clear enough.



Its not the amount of dirt thats getting in to it exactly, its once the foam begins to deteriorate, visable around the cuts and nicks its ability to rinse free is seriously reduced. Alot of peoples seem to get in to this state and its more of just a heads up :up . If a person were not so down with detailing, or if you were someone who was too busy to keep an eye out and noticed some marring my idea might be why.



Geoff

 

[David Fermani]

Its not the amount of dirt thats getting in to it exactly, its once the foam begins to deteriorate, visable around the cuts and nicks its ability to rinse free is seriously reduced.

I can't see how cuts and nicks hurt the performance of the Shmitt. Please explain how this occurs. I don't use a 2 bucket method or the grit guard and dunking my Shmitt in my 5 gallon bucket shakes off all the contaminants just fine. It takes alot more effort than that to clean off conventional style wash mitts.

If a person were not so down with detailing, or if you were someone who was too busy to keep an eye out and noticed some marring my idea might be why.

Chances are that those types of people probably induced marring from incorrect wash techniques instead of a nicked up Shmitt.

 

[steelwind101]

Hi David,



I believe that the nicks and cuts open as the Shmitt is moved across the car. This causes them to be exposed to the paintwork, or more so sharper objects. It might be on a grill, an emblem, prehapes around a lisence/number plate. This means the very top, inside edges of the nicks and cuts get cut and damaged even more.



When this damage happens you now have foam with lots of small (unnatural you might say) cuts. These open and collect dirt when the cut is open, and close when the mitt is flat/on a flat surface. The dirt is then trapped and forced deep in to these fragmented cuts.



It makes it really hard to clean them out, infact less so then the rest of the SHmitt. When i have inspected mine for example i found them in there, even thought i have a pretty good wash technique.



As i said on my first post this can become a really sensitive topic!! Im just point out my observations.



I hope i answered your question? How the foam on the interior of the cut becomes damaged, and why, due to defragmentation its less easy to clean out and more prone to holding dirt. Also how when the ShMitt is applied to the paintwork the next time its possible for some dirt to escape (assuming everyone doest wash there Shmitt and cuts out everytime with a tooth comb!!) or be forced on to the paintwork and marring to occur.



The i was working on a was V70XC, blue so plenty of curves and plastic!!



Geoff

 

[BlackElantraGT]

You might want to check your drying process or something else. I've used my shmitts for months now and I haven't found any marring even on black. The shmitt rocks and the LC seems like a cheap knock off, but it's not cheap. It cost even more! No Thanks!

Quoted from this thread:

http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/90569-bought-new-bucket.html

Look for something from Edge in coming months that will make you use the bucket as a trash can. That's all I can say right now, but hopefully I'll be able to fill everyone in soon!

I don't have permisson to say anymore yet. I worked w/ the guys from Edge on a new product, but it's still in develpment stages. I figured I would hear something about this post from you. Sorry!

Justin Jr., could it be possible that your posts are becoming a bit more biased like your banned friend with the yellow truck?

 

[Junebug]

I just bought and used a Schmitt for the first time this past weekend. All the MF mits, sheep skins, foam sponges, chenile pads & that MF dreadlocks sponge are now all in the back of the cabinent. I honestly don't see how - unless you use a brand new "whatever" on each panel that you could do better. If you are cleaning a truck that just came back from mud boggin, then you would power wash off the crud before washing right? common sense I thought, then what you're left with can be easily washed away with a schmitt - and it sure as heck won't pick up the crap that everything else does.

 

[steelwind101]

Im still not sure people are reading and understanding what i am saying. Rather just coming to predetermined conclusions and explaining something different.



Regardless if there were marks or not, it doesnt change that foam inside the nicks and cuts deterioates further making it harder to release dirt in normal rinsing, or show any. All i have done is explain possible reasons why this might be.



Its really me just offering a little something for people to watch out for.



Geoff

 

[Junebug]

I'll keep an eye on it - but I'm having hard time visualizing foam deteriorating from a cut. I have some polishing pads I used on my PC that were beat to a pulp from catching trim and rough edges and they're still ok to use, the nicks and cuts still clean up fine after use.

 

[Wetwerks]

I'm not sure where you guys are saying the Schmitt does not hold up. We've had ours for 6 months now (I think) with over 400 washes on it. I think it is now time to retire it and pick up some new ones. Has some serious battle scars, but has performed better than expected. I know for fact they have outlasted our sheepskins we used before.



Walter

 

[derekbmw]

Originally Posted by shadybreal

You might want to check your drying process or something else. I've used my shmitts for months now and I haven't found any marring even on black. The shmitt rocks and the LC seems like a cheap knock off, but it's not cheap. It cost even more! No Thanks!

Originally Posted by shadybreal

I don't have permisson to say anymore yet. I worked w/ the guys from Edge on a new product, but it's still in develpment stages. I figured I would hear something about this post from you. Sorry!

shadybreal, have you tried the new LC wash mitt? Or are you just saying LC mitts are terrible since you worked w/ Edge?

 

[silvergray]

I wonder if washing the Shmitt in a Snappy Pad solution would reduce future marring?



Has anybody tried that?

 

[David Fermani]

Original post of the thread:

I have used my Shmitt a fair few times now over the last couple of months and now i believe its probably marring/scratching my paintwork.



After looking at it all very carefully i think i know why.

Im still not sure people are reading and understanding what i am saying. Rather just coming to predetermined conclusions and explaining something different.



Regardless if there were marks or not, it doesnt change that foam inside the nicks and cuts deterioates further making it harder to release dirt in normal rinsing, or show any. All i have done is explain possible reasons why this might be.



Its really me just offering a little something for people to watch out for.



Geoff

At 1st you claim it has damaged your vehicle and then you say you're basically posting so that other people should watch out for possible problems. It's kinda back and forth and it makes me question the unclear intent of this thread that you keep trying to explain. My biggest suspicion is that you're not prewashing your vehicle properly (if any) to emilinate possible marring from debris that is still intact on your finish. What are you doing to avoid this from happening? I seriously doubt the nicked up Shmitt is causing this. Your claim has not really proved itself to me yet. There's more that 1 variable involved with washing your vehicle to get non-marring results.

 

[The Edge]

Normally I don't like to get involved in these threads but as the Manufacturer I would like to at least address some of the concerns. The foam used in the ShMiTT is the highest quality strongest and softest polyester urethane foam on the market. This is the foam we use in our high speed pads that spin on a rotary buffer at upwards of 2000rpm and they last under those conditions. Of course since it is foam and not an indestructable material it will tear and nick if you drag it across some sharp parts of a car but it will not deteriorate. Even if the foam has some tears this will not be causing the foam to rot below the suface. The foam will not rot, and is not more or less seceptable to deterioration because it is nicked. The ShMiTT was tested for over a year on all types of paint in professional shops and was proven to not cause marring. The foam is also open cell so a good rinse with a hose and just tap pressure will clean out the pores and rinse the suface clean. The foam and glue can withstand a machine washer and dryer if you feel that you need an extra good cleaning but all of our testing showed that the ShMiTT rinses totally clean with just soap, water and a hose, in fact much better than the fiber hair type mitts. I would suggest that the poster contact us to see if we can find out what is really happenening and let us try to solve the issue on the phone in person. As far as the new LC mitt, if you are having issues with nicks and cuts keeping dirt, how would a mitt that comes with the surface all cut up solve that issue?



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