SG right after AIO doesn't seem right

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imported_Yosemite Dan

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AIO contains some protectant. Is this protectant in AIO basically just diluted SG or is it a different chemical composition.



I'm wondering because if there is some SG in AIO(no matter how little) shouldn't you let the AIO cure for 24 hours before applying SG just like you would wait with layers of SG.



The bottles don't specify one way or another and could that be a reason that SG can be finicky at times.



It just seems that I've read here that people find SG easier to deal with when applying succesive coats after the 1st coat has cured. So maybe the same would apply to my AIO theory.
 
I believe there is a bit of a difference, although probably not much. The products were designed to be applied after one another. The only time you have to worry about the 24 period is between each coat of SG!!!
 
The reason you don't have to wait is that AIO is really mostly for cleaner. Makes no difference that you don't wait 24 hours, because if you are going to apply SG right on top, you don't care what happens to the protection from AIO, as it's pretty minimal anyway.
 
Yeah but if the protection in AIO is the same as what SG is comprised of, why not just apply layers of SG without waiting.



I guess I'm just trying to figure out how much protectant is in AIO and where is this info available. If there is enough protectant in there it could be a problem when first applying SG by not waiting for it to cure.



The SG bottle says that it provides an additional protective layer over AIO so it makes it sound like the AIO protectant is somewhat substansial. Klasse really needs to be more specific with it's products.
 
Opinions vary, but its a generally held opinion of the Autopia board that the AIO has minimal if any protective properties and is primarily a chemical cleaner. And a bloody good cleaner at that!
 
AIO is mostly cleaner. The advantage of having a single stage paint is that you can see how aggressive a cleaner is. When applying AIO my pad is all red from the paint shedding onto it. The SG leaves my pad absolutely clean. No color shedding. Definitely wait 24 hours between applications of SG. As a matter of fact wait the 24 hours before removing the prior coat of SG. It'll come off much easier.
 
In this world, there are two kinds of results: theoretical and actual. Only the latter actually count for anything.



Theoretically, it may not make sense to apply SG immediately after AIO, but in actuality, it works like a dream!



(If only actual results were always the same as theoretical results . . . I'd be a millionaire by now . . . )
 
Heh heh, *good* theories *do* work in real-world practice, that's one of the things that makes 'em good ;)



Actually, I thing *everyone's* right here, to some extent. And hey, the following is all just *my* $0.02 :D



Please pardon the simplistic terminology/explanations :o



When applying two (or more) layers of SG, you want to wait 24 hours so that layer #1 has time to cure. That way you end up with layer #2 on top of layer #1- the second layer only softens layer #1 enough to bond to it (they sorta "melt together" a little). If you don't wait long enough, layer #2 softens layer #1 too much, and you end up with less than two full layers (maybe more than just one, depends how much layer #1 gets softened up and mixed with layer #2).



*If* the protectants in AIO are the same as SG, or otherwise subject to the "softening effect", then yeah, applying SG right after AIO will reduce the AIO's protection, maybe eliminate it entirely. But since AIO's protection is minimal anyhow, you're still left with the entire (first) layer of SG. Maybe not *optimal*, but still pretty good. It might be interesting to do an experiment with AIO/SG compared to AIO/wait/SG. It would probably make a *little* difference, but what's a few days when you're talking *months* of protection from SG?



Oh, and AIO really *does* leave protection behind. 2001CivicEX found this out when fabricating aluminum components- polishing an AIO'ed part is different from polishing one that's bare aluminum. And I've used AIO on household surfaces, it definitely leaves behind something that lasts a while.
 
I guess my real point was that SG 1st layer has been very difficult for many people but successive layers seem easier. So I theorized that maybe letting the AIO cure may solve that. It was late at night when I started this thread and that's when I do my deepest thinking. :idea



Anyways I did my Klasse twins yesterday thinking I might try it this way but I was impatient and said screw it and used WOO instead of waiting. Incredibly simple and the results were nice.
 
Yosemite Dan said:
I guess my real point was that SG 1st layer has been very difficult for many people but successive layers seem easier. So I theorized that maybe letting the AIO cure may solve that. It was late at night when I started this thread ...
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Well, you might be onto something. I guess I sorta glossed over the "difficult first layer" issue because I haven't encountered it.



Anyways I did my Klasse twins yesterday thinking I might try it this way but I was impatient and said screw it ...
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Heh heh, glad it turned out OK.
 
theveed said:
Didn't AIO come out before SG? If that's the case, then the protective qualities of AIO shouldn't have come from SG then.
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Not necessarily, it could be that SG is just a more pure form of AIO protectant. I actually have no idea but the back of the bottle makes it seem like they're one and the same.
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
Opinions vary, but its a generally held opinion of the Autopia board that the AIO has minimal if any protective properties and is primarily a chemical cleaner. And a bloody good cleaner at that!
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I see this all the time about AIO not being a good protectant and have to take exception. I used AIO on my truck in early October and never got around to doing anything else with it until the end of February and it still had plenty of shine and water rolled off. It was parked outside every night with rain,snow, leaves and whatever else fell on it and this is what it looked like when I finally washed it February 29th.

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And the snow blower doesn't look to bad either since I put a coat of AIO on it before the first snow.



Mark
 
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