SG does have cleaning ability

SG layers over cured SG, that is what I understand. It sure shines with each additional coat like it layers- depth of shine increases, too. That marker stuff has me confused too.
 
Yeah, this *IS* interesting...We *KNOW* that SG layers. We notice a difference after several applications; it LOOKS and even FEELS different, and several "layers" last longer than just one.



Yet subsequent applications go through PREVIOUS ones and remove marker...:confused: Perhaps these subsequent applications SOFTEN the preceding ones enough that you can get to the marker if you rub enough. As in, you're moving some of the previous applications around but not necessarily REMOVING them (or at least not removing as much as you're adding).



The whole "it looks as thick" doesn't mean a whole lot to me; *IMO* we're talking about thicknesses that aren't discernable with the naked eye.



Heh heh, we're gonna go over this to death and probably never fully understand what's going on...
 
Maybe SG just does not bond (attach) to the marker material. SG is designed to bond to an automotive painted surface not a Sharpie marker. The reason each subsequent layer removes more marker is because the previous layer did not bond. JMO.
 
spetulla said:
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the sections are sectioned off with painter's masking tape. i lifted the tape a little today just to look at the thickness. the SG and s100 are clearly quite thickly coating!!! noticably to the touch.. the s100 is about twice as thick as the SG with 3 coats on each.
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You are telling me that you can 'feel' layers?? That is interesting since they are bonding on the smallest scale possible. Its not like you are laying down a milimeter of product or something. You are laying down maybe a tenth of a milimeter and I can't believe that you can "feel" 3/10ths of a milimeter on the surface of your car. I think what you are feeling is glue from the tape and not actual product being layered. It may not be a tenth of a mil per layer, but it is certianly so small that 3 layers would be impossible to feel or see with the naked eye.
 
Originally posted by blkZ28Conv

Maybe SG just does not bond (attach) to the marker material...



I think it's because they use oils and/or silicone to help the 'ink' flow
 
I *think* the reason the sharpie is coming off with subsequent layers is because the previous layer(s) of SG has not fully cured. IMHO, polymers realistcally need one week to cure. I don't think 24 hours is enough time. I personally wait 1 week between coats of SG and I do notice quite a difference in how it looks.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
You are telling me that you can 'feel' layers?? That is interesting since they are bonding on the smallest scale possible. Its not like you are laying down a milimeter of product or something. You are laying down maybe a tenth of a milimeter and I can't believe that you can "feel" 3/10ths of a milimeter on the surface of your car. I think what you are feeling is glue from the tape and not actual product being layered. It may not be a tenth of a mil per layer, but it is certianly so small that 3 layers would be impossible to feel or see with the naked eye.
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Jngr,



You bring up a good point. I'm kind of wondering about this myself.
 
i am 100% sure i can see the layers. a camera is coming in about 2 weeks I'll post pics. the layers are VISIBLE above the surface when I remove the tape that makes the grids.



Basically what happens is, when I add a layer of SG, it takes a small amount of marker off. Ive waited 2 days for it to cure and added another layer and it still did this. No matter if I use the bill north or regular method. Both do it. Both are also equally thick from my comparison to tin foil.
 
i just put a layer of SG on the layered s100 part of the grid. It did not remove ANY MARKER at all. Whether it bonded or not I do not know, but it did not remove marker.
 
I've had 20+ coats of SG on my car before. It has never been to a level where I could scratch it off with my fingernail or something like that. If you can feel enough of an edge that you can discern that one edge is twice as thick as another one, then its way thicker than my 20 layers of SG was. If you can scrape off the product with your thumbnail then you've got something wrong. That sounds like 2 years of build up and not 3 layers of product.



You can do 2 cars with one ounce of SG. I think anybody who has used SG will agree that it goes on so thin that a little really does go forever. If you have 1.5 ounces of SG spread across your entire car (or .75 ounces if you have only done half) then you aren't ever going to be able to feel it. The same thing goes for carnauba. Its like layering butter. I highly doubt you can feel layers of butter. Its not like there is going to be a crust of either product on your car.
 
If you are feeling something with your fingernail then it is something other than the wax. This is not a shell or a crust you are applying to your car. You cannot feel the edge of three coats of Klasse or P21S. You are feeling something else.
 
i can also see the edge between under the tape (where nothing exists) and where the SG exists. i invite you to try the test :) no offense but you are going off of loose speculation and I am going off my own senses!
 
It is not loose speculation that a human can't discern the difference between 1.5 mil and 3 mil with their fingernail. I am sure you can see the difference but its not possible to see an edge unless you have buildup along the side of the tape. You are putting down microscopic layers and that is not something you can feel. I have no doubt that you can see the color difference where there is now the presence of a sealant or an oil or carnauba, but that is as far as it goes. There simply is no hard edge to feel. That isn't speculation. That is the way it is. You aren't putting on something that you can feel.



I'm not going to argue about this anymore. What you are saying isn't what you are feeling. You are either feeling the tape glue or product buildup along the side where the tape was. 3 layers of carnauba and three layers of SG will not leave a ridge of product that can be felt with the skin. You couldn't even fill a groove of a fingerprint with three layers of those products. I'm not questioning that you feel something or that you see something. I'm just saying that you are seeing and feeling something other than 3 layers of product.
 
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