Second Coat Of Wax (or not): A Test

Definitely looking forward to the results of this test. Can you do another with some of the popular WOWO`s? I have P21S, Pinnacle Souveran and Wofgang Fuzion in my cabinet. Never layered any of them but if it`s beneficial I will!
 
mjgraniero said:
Definitely looking forward to the results of this test. Can you do another with some of the popular WOWO`s? I have P21S, Pinnacle Souveran and Wofgang Fuzion in my cabinet. Never layered any of them but if it`s beneficial I will!
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Great products along w/ Petes53 & Natty`s wax. Great to see that comparo/review w/ the above. I`d think as long as you have great coverage your good w/ one coat. You know your going to do it again later on anyhow.
 
I`ll confess, I`m a believer in the "give it a second coat in a week (or 24 hours or whatever)" I did just that with my little "test" of McKee`s 37 Coating on the driver`s side of my car and Meguiar`s Fast Finish on the passenger side. Two coats, one week apart. So far I can say that application of the 2nd coat went easier than the 1st coat (as hard to believe as that is with these two products - they`re so EASY to begin with). And the car looks awesome.

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I whole heartedly need this test. To prove why, I need to wax my Vehicles so often. I can only watch so many episodes of Fixer Upper and other HG/TV shows.:wall Before, I have to escape to the garage. The wife already thinks I am crazy. :wacko:
 
mjgraniero- For the P21s and Souveran (never tried the Fusion), you might oughta do some sort of spit-shining to get the max potential layering.

Heh heh...compare the ingredients of old-school shoe polish with what`s in conventional/old-school waxes. If layering and spit-shining didn`t work then it wouldn`t work on footwear...but it does, absolutely positively certainly.
 
Accumulator said:
mjgraniero- For the P21s and Souveran (never tried the Fusion), you might oughta do some sort of spit-shining to get the max potential layering.

Heh heh...compare the ingredients of old-school shoe polish with what`s in conventional/old-school waxes. If layering and spit-shining didn`t work then it wouldn`t work on footwear...but it does, absolutely positively certainly.
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As a frequent spit shiner I can tell you it`s more about the "spit" than the wax. I learned how to spit shine correctly from some of the remaining Vietnam Vets that were still around. Ice water and Kiwi. One coat of Kiwi and buff with ice water and a cotton ball. I did this to the toes and heels of my Corcoran boots and the shine was outstanding. Too much Kiwi will cloud up. I don`t know if it is the same on paint, but there are some members that put PBs SW in the refrigerator before spraying on.
 
Well, that settles it. Guess I`m putting another coat of Souveran on tomorrow when the weather breaks... Anybody have a bridge they want to sell me???
 
Subscribe, I don`t do a second coat most of the time becasue I am lazy. But I do use Meg`s D156 as a drying aid most of the time and thats like a little booster shot every other week. My trucks so darn big the idea of waxing it twice (heck even once sometimes) makes me fell like :passout:
 
rlmccarty2000- Yeah, I bet a lot of us learned spit-shining from vets, though my influences were from the Greatest Generation. Heh heh, Kiwi + Concoran boots is one of those combos like [fave car] + [fave wax].

I`ve never had Kiwi cloud up, even when there were [unbelievale number] layers..but I wasn`t using *cold* water or a cotton ball either.

OK, back to Detailing...I`ve used various stuff for the "spit", sorta partial to Griot`s SpeedShine, but it`s gotta be used *sparyingly*. My "pseudo-spit-shine" approach with M16 via Cyclo + SpeedShine gave me the most spherical beading I`ve ever had with that LSP and made the A8 look great, but !oh man! is it a PIA when it goes haywire (and I`m the guy who thinks all LSPs are easy).

mjgraniero- You gonna spit-shine that Souveran layering?

trashmanssd- That "the truck is so big.." thing is probably why I switched the Yukon XLD over to FK1000P. Getting several coats of Collinite (or KSG x 6 ) on the dog-haulers got old.
 
As promised, some initial bead shots. Actually, 4-day-later bead shots.

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Admittedly, this is a better exposed photograph than the one above, but.. do you notice better beading on 2 coats of 476?
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Natty`s

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2-coats of Natty`s *seemed* to sheet better than 1 coat. Here`s a picture where I tried to capture it, but failed, but it DOES show how pretty Natty`s Blue looks.
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On the motorcycle saddle bags, I have nothing really to report other than to say Pete`s 53 is beading really well (as it should only 4 days in).

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After 4 days there should be no degradation of the LSP. If there is any change the "top coat" would have to wear away to the "base coat". The side with one coat would be gone. Am I making any sense? I still say the solvents that keep the wax pliable would remove the first coat. That`s my story and I`m sticking to it. Lol
 
Its probably more like a partial removal of the first base layer with most LSPs. You end up with a slightly thicker layer that`s more uniform with more complete coverage after the 2nd layer. Menz PL is a LSP that I always thought was layerable as well as the DG and Zaino sealants. Most of the acrylic based sealants are layerable too. (Werkstat and CG ones)

If a second layer looks different than just having one layer then there has to be something happening. The medium that the light is traveling through has changed affecting the angles of refraction and total reflection. Since the second layer is the same LSP then we can assume what has changed is the thickness.
 
2-Week Update

No differences seen across any of the test areas with any of the waxes comparing 1-coat with 2-coats. No surprise at this stage. All test areas are still beading nicely.

Sorry, no pretty pictures, I wanted to get the data quickly because of the near drought conditions here, and didn`t want to "play" with the water too much, lest I be scorned by neighbors. Nothing to see really anyway.
 
Accumulator said:
mjgraniero- You gonna spit-shine that Souveran layering?
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I used souveran liquid spray as a spit shine agent and I have to say, that stuff works great. As for the Souveran itself, it didn`t last two weeks on the side panels. Hood and trunk still had some beading but the doors and fenders, nothing... It needed the second coat so I can`t really count that as layering. We have 10 consecutive forecasted days of heavy rain so the vette won`t see daylight any time soon. Perfect time to give it a rinseless wash and apply two coats in succession.
 
Ronkh said:
Didn`t you order the windshield wiper option ?!?!?!?! :ph34r:
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Haha! Actually, I used them for the first time last week. I don`t mind a light rain but when there are downpours in the forecast I don`t drive it to spare myself the four hour clean up. The rain brings all the dirt and grime into every crevice on that car! And my knees and back don`t like spending that much time on the ground.
 
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