Sealant/Wax for Black Trans Am

blkZ28Conv said:
I maybe wrong but I thought the goal of elite detailing (Autopia) was to maturate the paint to "its" highest level (clay and polish) and than protect with one's LSP of choice. Not to dress-up the paint for the Cindrella Ball. :nixweiss
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My goal is simply to make my paint look as best it possibly can to my eyes. If that means somewhat optically distorting the appearance of the paint with an oil loaded carnauba to achieve greater depth, then so be it.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I maybe wrong but I thought the goal of elite detailing (Autopia) was to maturate the paint to "its" highest level (clay and polish) and than protect with one's LSP of choice. Not to dress-up the paint for the Cindrella Ball. :nixweiss
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My goal is simply to make my paint look as best it possibly can to my eyes. If that means somewhat optically distorting the appearance of the paint with an oil loaded carnauba to achieve greater depth, then so be it.
 
Scottwax said:
My goal is simply to make my paint look as best it possibly can to my eyes. If that means somewhat optically distorting the appearance of the paint with an oil loaded carnauba to achieve greater depth, then so be it.
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I guess that's the difference between commercial verse hobbist's approach to detailing and finish refinement. :nixweiss



Definitively understandable. I can spend weeks detailing one of my vehicles (2-3 days for customers) without time or efficiency restraints. But after all this work I want the prep and "just waxed" appearance to be protected and last longer than 3-4 weeks.





My selling point for the 1 or 2 customer vehicles I do every couple of months is my "refinement" of their paint and longevity of that appearance. Hopefully, as close to new as possible and no surprises after the first or second wash.



Sold many a car commercially and a sellers best friend for quik "good looks" is a glaze. Not a well kept secret in used car sales and sadly used quite often by new vehicle sellers.
 
Scottwax said:
My goal is simply to make my paint look as best it possibly can to my eyes. If that means somewhat optically distorting the appearance of the paint with an oil loaded carnauba to achieve greater depth, then so be it.
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I guess that's the difference between commercial verse hobbist's approach to detailing and finish refinement. :nixweiss



Definitively understandable. I can spend weeks detailing one of my vehicles (2-3 days for customers) without time or efficiency restraints. But after all this work I want the prep and "just waxed" appearance to be protected and last longer than 3-4 weeks.





My selling point for the 1 or 2 customer vehicles I do every couple of months is my "refinement" of their paint and longevity of that appearance. Hopefully, as close to new as possible and no surprises after the first or second wash.



Sold many a car commercially and a sellers best friend for quik "good looks" is a glaze. Not a well kept secret in used car sales and sadly used quite often by new vehicle sellers.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I guess that's the difference between commercial verse hobbist's approach to detailing and finish refinement. :nixweiss
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It has nothing to do with customer's cars, I am talking specifically about my own black car. I know layering carnaubas over each other won't give me optically pure looking paint but I don't care. I want that liquid shimmer that so far, I have only found with carnaubas.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I guess that's the difference between commercial verse hobbist's approach to detailing and finish refinement. :nixweiss
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It has nothing to do with customer's cars, I am talking specifically about my own black car. I know layering carnaubas over each other won't give me optically pure looking paint but I don't care. I want that liquid shimmer that so far, I have only found with carnaubas.
 
I guess my eyes do not differentiate between a hi-quality sealant and wax any significant difference when applied to a meticulously prepped finish.



But there are differences in paint quality (OEM depth and hue richness) that will show differences no matter what prep is performed. :xyxthumbs
 
I guess my eyes do not differentiate between a hi-quality sealant and wax any significant difference when applied to a meticulously prepped finish.



But there are differences in paint quality (OEM depth and hue richness) that will show differences no matter what prep is performed. :xyxthumbs
 
Thanks Holland Patrick for the pics and everyone else for the great discussion, learning lots here. Holland Patrick, which topper did you prefer, those pics look great! I know its all in the prep but I am still curious to a few things. Holland Patrick what was your longevity/durability between those two lsp's? Pro's / Con's for either? I've searched and found some great pics of EX on black, very tempting to go the SSR/EX route. Natty's Blue looks really good on black so this make the process hard. Still also liking the Zaino route too now that it has been explained to me that I can go the z2pro and zfx route solely. Do I need the z7 wash or can I go straight from the SSR's to the z2pro?
 
Thanks Holland Patrick for the pics and everyone else for the great discussion, learning lots here. Holland Patrick, which topper did you prefer, those pics look great! I know its all in the prep but I am still curious to a few things. Holland Patrick what was your longevity/durability between those two lsp's? Pro's / Con's for either? I've searched and found some great pics of EX on black, very tempting to go the SSR/EX route. Natty's Blue looks really good on black so this make the process hard. Still also liking the Zaino route too now that it has been explained to me that I can go the z2pro and zfx route solely. Do I need the z7 wash or can I go straight from the SSR's to the z2pro?
 
Well I'm not an Expert on Zaino but for the money i would go with the poorboy's stuff you need something that will Hide/fill on a black car that isn't preped right. That car was polished out and I still do light polishing when I see her to spiff her up. I would say the Collinite is the go to for durablity but i would give the natty's a slight edge in the looks. BTW when she is going to get put away for the winter it will be SG and Collinite for LSP then.
 
Well I'm not an Expert on Zaino but for the money i would go with the poorboy's stuff you need something that will Hide/fill on a black car that isn't preped right. That car was polished out and I still do light polishing when I see her to spiff her up. I would say the Collinite is the go to for durablity but i would give the natty's a slight edge in the looks. BTW when she is going to get put away for the winter it will be SG and Collinite for LSP then.
 
Poorboy is suppose to be water-based and should be compatible with Z2-PRO. I have used the SSR 1 but I always follow a complete vehicle polishing with a rinse. I would still at least do a surface "rinse" down after polishing with any product. This will remove any dust that may have settled in the seams that is quite noticable :hairpull on dark colored vehicles. Completely optional but I love the feel of freshly polished panels after a rinse. :xyxthumbs



Hey Scott, there is no right or wrong or best or better, IMHO, concerning our discussion of paint prep or personal appearance preferences. The end point is the same.... beautiful vehicles. :woot:
 
Poorboy is suppose to be water-based and should be compatible with Z2-PRO. I have used the SSR 1 but I always follow a complete vehicle polishing with a rinse. I would still at least do a surface "rinse" down after polishing with any product. This will remove any dust that may have settled in the seams that is quite noticable :hairpull on dark colored vehicles. Completely optional but I love the feel of freshly polished panels after a rinse. :xyxthumbs



Hey Scott, there is no right or wrong or best or better, IMHO, concerning our discussion of paint prep or personal appearance preferences. The end point is the same.... beautiful vehicles. :woot:
 
blkZ28Conv said:
True depth is not produced by any LSP, unless it has a cleaning component. If your dark colored finishes lack depth, it is not because of the non-polishing LSP. Sealant or Wax. It is the paint prep that lacking in the depth production department.



If the image of "depth" is the desired outcome, yes a carnuaba or syn-wax enriched with exotic oils and other light altering refracting elements is also a means to the same end.



I maybe wrong but I thought the goal of elite detailing (Autopia) was to maturate the paint to "its" highest level (clay and polish) and than protect with one's LSP of choice. Not to dress-up the paint for the Cindrella Ball. :nixweiss





In terms of Zaino, yes an order of Z2-PRO and ZFX will be suffice and OTC wash and QD's without wax can be used. Nevertheless, as time go on and you notice the beauty of the Zaino system approach you will fill in these OTC detailing products with Z products.
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I personally feel that LSP does make some differences in deepth. IMO SG and Ziano shines very well, but it looks as if there was a layer of reflective cellophane layed on top of the car(kind of like a clear bra on the whole car). Its just me, but I find that carnubas or other sealants look better on black.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
True depth is not produced by any LSP, unless it has a cleaning component. If your dark colored finishes lack depth, it is not because of the non-polishing LSP. Sealant or Wax. It is the paint prep that lacking in the depth production department.



If the image of "depth" is the desired outcome, yes a carnuaba or syn-wax enriched with exotic oils and other light altering refracting elements is also a means to the same end.



I maybe wrong but I thought the goal of elite detailing (Autopia) was to maturate the paint to "its" highest level (clay and polish) and than protect with one's LSP of choice. Not to dress-up the paint for the Cindrella Ball. :nixweiss





In terms of Zaino, yes an order of Z2-PRO and ZFX will be suffice and OTC wash and QD's without wax can be used. Nevertheless, as time go on and you notice the beauty of the Zaino system approach you will fill in these OTC detailing products with Z products.
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I personally feel that LSP does make some differences in deepth. IMO SG and Ziano shines very well, but it looks as if there was a layer of reflective cellophane layed on top of the car(kind of like a clear bra on the whole car). Its just me, but I find that carnubas or other sealants look better on black.
 
I have been looking at the RMG and MaxWax i did on my black hood, and trying to figure out if it is actually deeper than the Z2pro and Z8 i had on before.



To tell ya the truth, i dont htink it is deeper.



I think it is less reflective giving the appearance of depth.



Is that depth though?



I dont know, but the Z system i had on there before produced a great shine, was very wet, and was also very deep.



Although i didnt have any swirls detracing from the black fininish.



A perfectly prepped black body panel will be miles deep without anything on it.



Does anyone want to know how my metallic grey flake looks with z2pro and z8?



Its unfreakinbelievable if ya do.
 
I have been looking at the RMG and MaxWax i did on my black hood, and trying to figure out if it is actually deeper than the Z2pro and Z8 i had on before.



To tell ya the truth, i dont htink it is deeper.



I think it is less reflective giving the appearance of depth.



Is that depth though?



I dont know, but the Z system i had on there before produced a great shine, was very wet, and was also very deep.



Although i didnt have any swirls detracing from the black fininish.



A perfectly prepped black body panel will be miles deep without anything on it.



Does anyone want to know how my metallic grey flake looks with z2pro and z8?



Its unfreakinbelievable if ya do.
 
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