sealant that slightly fills...

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Envious Eric

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...for between polishing sessions. whats out there? I have M21, and collinit 845 for my sealants currently. I love the application and removal of both, but use 845 more now because the the removal is just so buttery smooth, and M21 can sometimes be a pain to remove.



M21 fills just a touch, but what about for black cars?
 
Are you talking about waxes or sealants? M21 is a synthetic wax I think and collonite is also a wax. If your looking for a wax with filler I read good reviews about primas line doing that
 
Banana Gloss is a great product. I use it after my maintenance washes to complete the cycle of wash + wax :2thumbs:



If you are considering going to SCD to pick it up I would contact Erik Meija first as Richard is in Taiwan at the moment working on some top secret project for us :spot
 
Lol, its on his site but I'll short hand it here. Pretty much its a coating that is applied at a body shop (air brushed or something) and it acts like its own layer of clear. So a real sealant unlike the ones sold at dealers. He also told me that its similar to the glass coatings they have overseas so he is working on a version that is VOC compliant for us stateside people to obtain :)



Sounds like a very cool concept and from his pictures it looks very cool too
 
eyezack87 said:
Lol, its on his site but I'll short hand it here. Pretty much its a coating that is applied at a body shop (air brushed or something) and it acts like its own layer of clear. So a real sealant unlike the ones sold at dealers. He also told me that its similar to the glass coatings they have overseas so he is working on a version that is VOC compliant for us stateside people to obtain :)



Sounds like a very cool concept and from his pictures it looks very cool too
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thanks for sharing, found it on his site (it was re-arranged so i couldn't find it right away)... SCD in Taiwan 2009 - ShowCarDetailing
 
Holden_C04 said:
I know KSG definitely fills. It can be a pain to work with, though. Try that?
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IMO KSG is the anti-filler

as when I use it over a not perfect surface it seames like it almost

magnifies the defects:think:
 
BigJimZ28 said:
IMO KSG is the anti-filler

as when I use it over a not perfect surface it seames like it almost

magnifies the defects:think:
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I've seen it fill...I've seen defects disappear after applying SG. It might not be on every surface, but it did at least once.
 
toyotaguy- I'd approach it differently: I'd find a penultimate product that does some filling but doesn't interfere with the sealant's bonding.



I've only played around with it a little, but one combo I have in mind is AutoGlym's Super Resin Polish (does a bit of filling) topped with FK1000P. They seemed to work together OK on my wife's wheels, but that's the only time I've tried it so far.



OR...since all Meg's stuff is supposed to work together, how about one of their "pure polishes" topped with NXT (which fills IME), and maybe try topping that combo with #21. No idea if it'd work though..



Holden_C04 said:
I know KSG definitely fills. It can be a pain to work with, though. Try that?
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Huh..that's surprising! Like BigJimZ28, myexperience with it had been the opposite, zero filling :nixweiss
 
Accumulator said:
Huh..that's surprising! Like BigJimZ28, myexperience with it had been the opposite, zero filling :nixweiss
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The thing is, though, that every wax that protects has the potential to mask marring/swirls. Even if it doesn't have properties specifically designed to mask them temporarily, it can still act to fill in imperfections.



That's part of what throws the whole fillers debate into disarray...
 
Holden_C04- Yeah, I agree that as you layer KSG (it's a great example of this) enough you get a real *coating* on the finish and I suppose that would eventually result in some stuff being less noticeable :think:



I never pursued it that way so it didn't occur to me...I do know that (only) one/two layers makes any existing marring seem more obvious to me, as in "oops, better strip it off and do the correction over".



I guess the layered KSG will end up being functionally similar to a "heavier" LSP like certain waxes, the sorts of products that are generally considered "forgiving".



It's not like you and I have all that many differing experiences, so when we *do* seem to have one I look for an explanation, hence the preceding hypothesizing :D
 
this is for a wash and wax though, not a wash, polish, wax. If that were the case, I would poli-seal it because that does a little correcting, some filling, and sealant in one step, but takes 2-3 times as long.



I was just thinking about black cars on a routine maintanence program every 3 months. I have a few people with lighter color cars, but they dont care about swirling at all, so it wasnt an issue. They just wanted it waxed and smooth feeling.
 
OCW fills to a certain extent. I think this would be great for a maintanence wax since it goes on so easily, leaves it slick, fills, and looks great.
 
Accumulator said:
Holden_C04- Yeah, I agree that as you layer KSG (it's a great example of this) enough you get a real *coating* on the finish and I suppose that would eventually result in some stuff being less noticeable :think:



I never pursued it that way so it didn't occur to me...I do know that (only) one/two layers makes any existing marring seem more obvious to me, as in "oops, better strip it off and do the correction over".



I guess the layered KSG will end up being functionally similar to a "heavier" LSP like certain waxes, the sorts of products that are generally considered "forgiving".



It's not like you and I have all that many differing experiences, so when we *do* seem to have one I look for an explanation, hence the preceding hypothesizing :D
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If it helps, I'll explain the circumstances...



Warm weather (a little humid, for sure)

One thin coat of KAIO

One thin coat of KSG



Pre-polished Aluminum tail-pipes (it could be Chrome, I don't recall) with 000 Steel Wool. When I applied the KSG, the swirls which littered the finish pretty well vanished. It was 10% to start with after the Steel Wool and it was 60-70% after the KSG. Of course, KSG didn't remove the swirls so it definitely filled.



Actually, I have the same experience with KAIO/KSG being that it can amplify defects but in this case, with that kind of weather, it definitely filled to a high degree.
 
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