Greg Nichols
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Macruz19 said:
Again, how does one measure slickness? I'm not picking a fight here so don't all jump on this. We throw out terms yet the terms means something different by everyone.
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Again, how does one measure slickness? I'm not picking a fight here so don't all jump on this. We throw out terms yet the terms means something different by everyone.
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Greg Nichols said:
Remember that I am a married man when I answer this....
All I do is ask my wife. She touches the paint and gives me an answer. I think that I have stated more than once that this is practical experiment on a daily driver. It certainly is not scientific. I am not able to give anything but opinion on this test. YMMV
Greg Nichols said:
Sureeee!! You are not picking fights
I define slickness to be the smoothness or least amount of friction after the removal of an LSP (or other product). In short if I was to feel the paint after a product has been removed, how "grabby" would it be? The product with the least amount of "grab" would be the slickest to me.
Greg Nichols
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^^^^
That is how I think most people define slickness, which is fine but it makes it very hard to do a comparison that is quantifiable........I wish there was a way or some simple test.
I'm pretty sure until we do product manufactors will continue to dupe us with terms like durability, slickness, shine, depth of color, etc.... and we jump from one claim to another thus keeping the wheels turning.
CWCAD---as a married man your response makes more sense than any reply to date, keep the woman happy. LOL
That is how I think most people define slickness, which is fine but it makes it very hard to do a comparison that is quantifiable........I wish there was a way or some simple test.
I'm pretty sure until we do product manufactors will continue to dupe us with terms like durability, slickness, shine, depth of color, etc.... and we jump from one claim to another thus keeping the wheels turning.
CWCAD---as a married man your response makes more sense than any reply to date, keep the woman happy. LOL
Greg Nichols
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I guess you could jimmy one up. Take a mass (weight) and attach it to a scale, place the mass on a clean MF and pull the mass, measure the amount of force needed, less force more slickness.
Holy Crap that sounds like a lot of work! LOL I guess we could set up a slickness test on a hood and see.
GREG
Holy Crap that sounds like a lot of work! LOL I guess we could set up a slickness test on a hood and see.
GREG
imported_Conan777
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I was about to buy some DWG thanks for posting your results. So what is your opinion? Does it have any filling ability for marring, spiderwebbing etc? Did it make the paint look glossier or wetter than without it? You said that you noticed marring return after only 150 miles. Was that on the DWG only panel or is that the case on the whole hood even with the sealants coated on top of the DWG? is DWG worth the effort? What benefit do you think it gives if any? Thanks!
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Conan777 said:
On my hood marring is an equal oppurtunity member. The stuff is all over the hood. Slicing thru the Texas landscape in sporadic rain passing truck after truck on I-35 on my trip to Waco the other day wreaked havoc on the hood.
In this test I cannot honestly say if it enhances the look because everything is layered on top of the glaze. Unfortunately that particular question cannot be answered for the test that I prepared.
I cannot in all truthfullness say wether or not it filled because I manged to get what I consider 100 per cent correction when I polished the hood. A few days earlier when working on the roof and tonneau cover I was unable to get that result and was flumoxed by it. I honestly do not know why it worked better one day versus another day. Everything was the same except the weather and the area worked. Same operator, same products, and same pads and machines.
In my opinion anytime one adds any kind of protection it is a benefit but the test will should give me more incite as to wehter it is worth it or not at a later date. As of now I would say a tenative yes to the benefits. Just not a wholehearted yes at this time.
imported_Conan777
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CWCAD....what did you buy the DWG for? When I think of a "Glaze" I think of a "filler" and beauty product to give more gloss! Most glazes are used at car shows and are very oily. These oils help fill in the slight spider webbing and minor defects in the paint especially when out under the sun or inside under alot of lights. Also some detailers use them instead of polishing and then the poor customer is left disappointed a week later when the glaze washes off and all the swirls are back. Glazes are also notorious for being very difficult to top with any LSP. I believe the reason that DWG is getting so much attention is that it is acrylic based and bonds to the paint so it can easily be topped with a sealant or wax. I have a black car and it is a daily driver so it is nearly impossible to prevent slight scratches and marring. I was hoping that DWG would be able to cover up those slight defects between polishes. So CW what do you think? In your opinion what is the purpose of the DWG?
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Conan777 said:
I purchased DWG for all the reasons that you mentioned. Plus, someone I respect, told me that he thought that DWG was taking the shine to a higher level. I like the shine of all the products so I am not sure if it really does. The pictures tell me that there is a difference. It is hard for me to decide if it is better or not.
I am wanting a slight filling capability to cover up those minor swirls that one encounters with a daily driver. I have polished the black truck of mine to the point that I am in fear of clear coat failure. So I am experimenting to see if this is a product that might help me asuage those polishing dilemas. I think the filling capabilities are minor if any at this time.
I have a Menzerna glaze from a member of another forum sending me a sample tomorrow. Maybe this will fill in those areas I am not sure....?
imported_Conan777
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Thanks for the response. Please update us as to the comparison with the Menzerna Glaze. I have Megs #3 machine glaze but have not tried it yet as I've read that it is very oily and a bear to top with an LSP. A sealant top coat is most likely completely out of the question but I may try topping it with Souveran Paste wax.
I tried out DWG last season. I used OP, JW Prime Acrylic, AJT, DWG, then another coat of AJT. The result was extremely slick and very, very reflective and shiny. I applied a few more coats of the DWG/AJT throughout the season. Some 4 months later, the slickness is still there somewhat. During the warmer months, I will glaze and LSP several times to maintain the maximum slickness and shine. I will most likely end up repeating the same process this season since it netted me the best look and slickness of any combo I've used on my silver paint.
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Well I had some personal business to attend to last week so I did not post my findings on this test that I have going on the hood of my Black truck. I took the pictures of the hood last Wednesday but was not able to post the pictures until now.
I had some dust accumulation on the hood since I have done nothing during the time between initial application and the pictures that I am posting today. I used several plush MF towels and S&W(need I mention that S&W is my favorite product...?) wipedown. You will notice the marks left by the tape that are still showing but it is nice to have because it really delineates the different products on the hood for my testing purposes.
I found it interesting how the dust accumulates on the different products. The heaviest accumulation was on the NXT 2.0. The Liquid Souveran was the next heaviest accumulation. LS was on the upper left side of the picture. I saw less accumulation on the bottom half of the versus the top half of the hood. Am not sure if it is the products or if it is the area. It is just an observation and am not saying wether it is bad or good. It is just the way it turned out and I thought it was worth mentioning.
The S&W cleaned up the area real nice and this is what it left.
The surface of the hood is still relatively marr free as far as I am concerned. I made a trip in the rain the other day and thought that the marring was excessive when I returned and looked at the area in the driveway. I have a lot of chips that are showing but after the wipedown the surface in all of the test areas are equal in marring and smoothness. I could not discern any difference in any of the products as far as smoothness or darkening. Beading could not be measured since it stopped raining just before I returned home and it has not rained since.
My impression is the glaze is holding up well. I am disappointed in Zaino in as much as I had hoped that it would be a stand out versus the other products. I am surprised that LS is holding up so well from my previous experience with the product. NXT 2.0 is showing promise as well.
I had some dust accumulation on the hood since I have done nothing during the time between initial application and the pictures that I am posting today. I used several plush MF towels and S&W(need I mention that S&W is my favorite product...?) wipedown. You will notice the marks left by the tape that are still showing but it is nice to have because it really delineates the different products on the hood for my testing purposes.
I found it interesting how the dust accumulates on the different products. The heaviest accumulation was on the NXT 2.0. The Liquid Souveran was the next heaviest accumulation. LS was on the upper left side of the picture. I saw less accumulation on the bottom half of the versus the top half of the hood. Am not sure if it is the products or if it is the area. It is just an observation and am not saying wether it is bad or good. It is just the way it turned out and I thought it was worth mentioning.
The S&W cleaned up the area real nice and this is what it left.
The surface of the hood is still relatively marr free as far as I am concerned. I made a trip in the rain the other day and thought that the marring was excessive when I returned and looked at the area in the driveway. I have a lot of chips that are showing but after the wipedown the surface in all of the test areas are equal in marring and smoothness. I could not discern any difference in any of the products as far as smoothness or darkening. Beading could not be measured since it stopped raining just before I returned home and it has not rained since.
My impression is the glaze is holding up well. I am disappointed in Zaino in as much as I had hoped that it would be a stand out versus the other products. I am surprised that LS is holding up so well from my previous experience with the product. NXT 2.0 is showing promise as well.
imported_Conan777
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Thanks for the update! Keep it going! Do you think DWG made any difference in the looks of the other products you put over it?
cwcad
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I think all the areas of the truck's hood look good to the naked eye. But so does the other parts ofthe truck that are with out glaze. So the answer to your question is no. Now I thought it was easy to apply and take off and the part of the hood that has only glaze looks as good as the rest of the hood that has sealants on them. It also appears that the glaze is holding up well as a stand alone type LSP.
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I had a chance to take pictures of the beading on the hood. I am posting this as a reference for later comparison in this on going test.
Here is the front view.
Here is a right side view
and last a left side view.
This is after two weeks of sitting outside 24/7.
Here is the front view.
Here is a right side view
and last a left side view.
This is after two weeks of sitting outside 24/7.
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It is time for an update and the weather aided me by raining the other day. I like to use natural rain vs. using a hose to view beading characteristics. Here are the pictures taken one day short of week three.
My observations will follow the pictures.
I have to say that the changes are subtle in the test area. I also have the advantage to view the area in real time to see the motion of the beads as the rain hits the hood. I spent 15 minutes standing in the rain and watched as the beading changed. On both test areas near the windshield the beading drops are growing larger. As to why is a conundrum to me. I believe this is because of wind and heat. Could the fact that it is on an edge of the hood cause greater abrasiveness or more heat of longer duration? The reason that I ask is.... I do not see this larger beading on the lead edge of the hood. It may be cooler longer at the front vs. the back of the hood causing more deterioration on the back edge of the hood.
While observing the rain beading on the hood the larger beads got so big that they broke free causing the streaks or water lines on the hood. The beads never broke in the middle of the area where the heat seems to be equal and the bead size seems to be uniform on all of the products in the middle test areas as well.
The hood was washed cleaned from the deluge of the overnight. So that gives me reason to keep my vehicles polished to help keep the vehicle clean longer. Duh....is this not what the companies always claim?
I detect smaller, albeit slight, beading on the passenger front edge of the hood versus the driver side front edge.
All in all the hood is doing well and I cannot see a difference in the look or shine anywhere on the hood. I forgot to do a physical touch of the paint to comment on the slickness (can slickness be judged by looking?)
My observations will follow the pictures.
I have to say that the changes are subtle in the test area. I also have the advantage to view the area in real time to see the motion of the beads as the rain hits the hood. I spent 15 minutes standing in the rain and watched as the beading changed. On both test areas near the windshield the beading drops are growing larger. As to why is a conundrum to me. I believe this is because of wind and heat. Could the fact that it is on an edge of the hood cause greater abrasiveness or more heat of longer duration? The reason that I ask is.... I do not see this larger beading on the lead edge of the hood. It may be cooler longer at the front vs. the back of the hood causing more deterioration on the back edge of the hood.
While observing the rain beading on the hood the larger beads got so big that they broke free causing the streaks or water lines on the hood. The beads never broke in the middle of the area where the heat seems to be equal and the bead size seems to be uniform on all of the products in the middle test areas as well.
The hood was washed cleaned from the deluge of the overnight. So that gives me reason to keep my vehicles polished to help keep the vehicle clean longer. Duh....is this not what the companies always claim?
I detect smaller, albeit slight, beading on the passenger front edge of the hood versus the driver side front edge.
All in all the hood is doing well and I cannot see a difference in the look or shine anywhere on the hood. I forgot to do a physical touch of the paint to comment on the slickness (can slickness be judged by looking?)
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It is the fourth week of my test and here are my pictures to go with my comments.
Front hood shot.
Right side hood.
Left side hood shot.
I traveled this last week through the dry part of the state and managed to go through a lot of wind caused dust and dust of construction zones. The vehicle actually looked shiny but the layer of dust from the afore mentioned areas seems to have effected beading characteristics. At least that is what I believe to be the reason. There appears to be a change of beading or lack of surface tension making the beading appear less even. I am not able to discern a difference between the products on the hood. IMO, all are holding up well considering the condition of the paint. I have other vehicles around with different products that were applied before the start of the test area that have better surface tension but were not subjected to the dust and wind of my recent trip.
I am trying hard not to effect the test with shampoos, QD's, or spray sealants on the test area. Each product needs to stand on its own. It has been very hard to NOT do anything to the truck. Only good thing is the fact that I am not instilling any self induced swirls. If the weather remains nice out I will post up pictures of a clean test area the next time I update this thread.
Front hood shot.
Right side hood.
Left side hood shot.
I traveled this last week through the dry part of the state and managed to go through a lot of wind caused dust and dust of construction zones. The vehicle actually looked shiny but the layer of dust from the afore mentioned areas seems to have effected beading characteristics. At least that is what I believe to be the reason. There appears to be a change of beading or lack of surface tension making the beading appear less even. I am not able to discern a difference between the products on the hood. IMO, all are holding up well considering the condition of the paint. I have other vehicles around with different products that were applied before the start of the test area that have better surface tension but were not subjected to the dust and wind of my recent trip.
I am trying hard not to effect the test with shampoos, QD's, or spray sealants on the test area. Each product needs to stand on its own. It has been very hard to NOT do anything to the truck. Only good thing is the fact that I am not instilling any self induced swirls. If the weather remains nice out I will post up pictures of a clean test area the next time I update this thread.