Scratches in paint

swirls said:
1.Heavy compound(red) if needed. Wool pad just for heavy
2.Light Compound(white)Ardex 1500 or Malco Buff Light II. Wool Pad just for light
3.Swirl Remover with Foam Pad
4.Either Glaze or wipe swirl remover with micro fiber.

Paint looks great, no swirls. 1 month down the road swirls will show unless it's waxed again.
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I have used Tru-Grit...it is the most aggressive compound I have found...it is like Mud with sand...I can hear it when I turn my rotary on...if you are looking for speed..that is the compound that I woud use....Dont have to use wool...if you combine that with foam your fine....

I dont use it anymore after learning about this site...and I have been amazed by the results that I have been getting...But the real problem is your boss wanting quality and quantity...with the same manpower.. if you want a 2 and a half hour full detail...quality will suffer... :confused:
 
swirls said:
I don't think anything removes swirls, it just fills them in temporarily until the car is washed a few times. You can't remove them, they are very small scratches in the paint and all you can do is use the finest grit compound there is so they aren't as noticeable then glaze. Synthetic compound is BS, on clearcoat it's just going to remove dirt and dead paint, it is impossible for it to cut into clearcoat with no grit, it won't remove swirls either. Just use the finest grit light compound, flatten out the pad, buff with little pressure, and don't buff in 20 directions or the swirls will show even worse. I know if you're buffing a hood try to go from the front all the way to the back 'cause if you stop in the middle the swirls will be worse.
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swirls,

I do not know who told you all of these inaccuracies, but to say that swirls cannot be removed from paint is not correct.

I highly suggest that you forget these inacurracies and broaden your detailing horizons a bit. Detail shops that do cover up, "grind n glaze" jobs that just cover up swirls are really good at giving detailing and true professional detailers a bad reputation.

I teach people every day how to polish and wax their cars to perfection. I am a big advocate of using an alcohol and water mix after compounding and polishing to remove any residue that is on the paint and to check for swirls and imperfections before a wax or sealant is applied.

To those that think that swirls are unavoidable, I kindly disagree. I think with proper care and the right washing and drying techniques, they are avoidable in most cases.

For those in much harsher climates than Florida that truely cannot avoid swirls, they can be properly removed and not just covered up.

Dwayne
 
I agree with Dwayne 100%. I know for a fact that my car can be inspected under the harshest light after I polish it and you won't find swirls. Some scratches may not be removed by normal polishing, but anyone can tell the difference between linear scratches and swirls. Swirls aren't always easy to remove for sure, but it is possible. Anyone who says it isn't possible obviously hasn't ever done it before.
 
Quote-" I know for a fact that my car can be inspected under the harshest light "after I polish it" and you won't find swirls".

So then you agree with me? "after I polish it" That's what I said. Now take the polish off and tell me if you see them. The rest of you are just using synthetic compound or cleaners and polishes so you're not going to leave swirls. Use a heavy compound and when you're done just wash it then tell me.
 
You are splitting hairs over definitions. When I say 'Polish' I am talking about using abrasive cutting compounds that will remove the swirls. I use no fillers. I am against using any kind of filler to hide swirls. Why hide them when you can remove them? I don't think you understand the definition of 'Polish' if you are going to argue that what I said implied that I was filling swirls. I don't fill swirls.
 
My steps are simple.

Step 1. Remove swirls
Step 2. Collect check from satisfied customer.

:D

Look swirls, if you can't get swirls out then that is fine. Take some classes or practice some more and you'll get better at it. Its not very polite to come here and tell people who have been removing swirls for years that its not possible. Its true that many detail shops just cover them and fill them with glazes, but that doesn't mean that everybody does it that way.

Since pictures don't prove anything, you are more than welcome to come and check out any car that I have removed swirls from and you can see that I am telling you the truth. I have plenty of pictures, but you are just going to say that the swirls are filled no matter what process or steps I tell you that I followed.
 
I'm not being rude I truly believe you guys might think you're getting rid of them just 'cause the product says "swirl remover" but you are just temporarily covering them up. Haven't seen one person post up how they get rid of them and what they use yet, including you. So...what's your last or next to last step? Yep, swirl remover or glaze. They'll be back.
 
swirls, when I read your posts all I can really do is shake my head in disbelief and wonder how someone can be so stubborn.

If you don't think that anyone who is a member of Detail City can remove defects from paint and all you are going to do is insist that no one here can accomplish this then maybe this website is not for you.

If you want to learn how to detail, stick around. If you sincerely want to learn, Detail City can help you accomplish things that may be impossible to you.

If you continue to insist that we are not capable of removing swirls, I will have to conclude that you are unwilling to learn and unwilling to contribute to Detail City in a positive way.

Dwayne
 
Swirls so you are saying that going from this:

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To this:
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Is covered by fillers and oils???


If that is the case then why is it after 3 months when he brought it back they did not reappear????? And still haven't returned after almost 2 years?
 
Very nice, blkyukon!

Was that done with a DA or a rotary? Hope it's with a DA cause that is very nice results. Care to share your process, etc.? I don't achieve that level of "bling" at all.
 
First of all those aren't swirls. Those scratches weren't caused by a buffer. Second of all the car doen't have a spec of dust on it so it was just washed and waxed.
 
So? Lets here the steps if you all know how to remove swirls? I guarantee you use "swirl remover" or some type of glaze. All products claiming "swirl remover" have no grit and are all shine. How do you remove fine scratches with no grit? You don't. Synthetic compound has no grit and only removes dead paint or dirt and shit form basecoat clearcoat, it won't cut it. I've tried the finest grit compounds out there and i've even tried them with a foamy after a wool pad. Foam pads suck for compounding, i'll stick to just polishing with them.

Say I wet sand.

I can 1500 sand marks out but sometimes I use heavy first then 1500.
Buff Lite II with wool pad then "swirl remover" with foam pad, then some type of carnuaba.
 
swirls said:
First of all those aren't swirls. Those scratches weren't caused by a buffer. Second of all the car doen't have a spec of dust on it so it was just washed and waxed.
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For your information the car had never been detailed before it came to me, so they couldn't have been caused by a buffer, they were cause by gas station car washes.

The before shot is after a wash the after shot is after using 3M PII FC and DACP nothing else (both have no fillers or oils).

Here is a during shot for you:
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So you are saying that a wash and wax will cover those swirls???? That is some pretty awesome wax to cover that.

OK what about this one:

This is after SSR3 (has no fillers or oils and DACP (also has no fillers and oils)
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swirls said:
First of all those aren't swirls. Those scratches weren't caused by a buffer. Second of all the car doen't have a spec of dust on it so it was just washed and waxed.
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I suppose this was just washed and waxed too then, eh?

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Perhaps there is an absense of dust in that other picture because the surface was just effectively polished out. Ever considered that? You have just discredited yourself totally to me. You can't tell what caused marks on paint just by looking at it. Those are the marks that you will find on most cars that are not cared for. They don't have to be made by a buffer. Buffer marks are alot different than that. They look more like holograms rather than spiderweb swirls. I don't think you know what a swirl is, to tell the truth.

Why not start contributing around here if you think that you know how to remove swirls and we are all just hacks using fillers and glazes. Posting pictures or telling you how we do things is absolutely pointless because you have already made up your mind that just because you can't remove swirls, then nobody else can either. I happen to strongly disagree with that notion. I remove swirls all the time and you are more than welcome to come out and check my work if you want. However, I am not wasting any more time on someone with a closed mind who has no desire whatsoever to learn new processes or techniques.
 
Alright guys... let's cool down a bit. Swirls, you need to watch your language. There are ladies on this board and they don't need to hear your trash talk. Everybody else, if swirls is getting on your nerves then just ignore him. Put him on ignore and you won't have to read to his crystal ball gazing posts anymore. However, this is your only warning about the trash talk, swirls. Just so you know, I am an admin here and I don't like people who are not smooth with the ladies. Foul language is not smooth with the ladies. :ticked
 
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I totally agree with you on this Jngrbrdman no matter what we say or show him he won't change his mind!


Sveta said:
Very nice, blkyukon!

Was that done with a DA or a rotary? Hope it's with a DA cause that is very nice results. Care to share your process, etc.? I don't achieve that level of "bling" at all.
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Thanks!

It was done with a PC and like I said above, the picture is after
3M PII FC with a CMA orange pad
and DACP with a polishing pad

Here it is complete after....If i remember right (this was done a couple of years ago) it was finished with SFP and CMW

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Its surprising how effective a PC can be on swirls. I didn't have much luck with the 3M line when I was first starting out, so I switched to Meguiar's. By that time I think the learning curve had kicked in and I was much better at it. I probably need to go back to 3M just to see how well it works now that I've got six or seven years more experience under my belt. As long as you let the diminishing abrasives break down all the way then swirls are a lot easier to remove. I had really good results with the Sonus cutting pad before my backing plate shreded a hole in the middle of it. :lol I've usually stuck with either Meguiar's pads or Edge pads. The Meguiar's red pad seems to cut really well for light swirls, even with a lighter compound. I don't know what this guy is talking about if he says we are using glazes and waxes to cover up swirls. I for one know for a fact that the compounds I am using have abrasives in them that are in fact cutting the surface and removing swirls. Nothing anyone tells him is going to change his mind that it can be done, so I'm just going to add him to my ignore list and pretend that he isn't posting. No sense in letting him ruin a perfectly good thread.
 
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