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I brought the M5 back home today, so I was able to continue my Klasse testing. I QD'd the hood and applied a 2nd coat of SG. I don't have a "microfiber applicator" that ShortCut suggested- but I did try folding up an Ultimate Wipe into 1/8ths. This didn't work - first swipe put in on too thick, second removed it ENTIRELY. So i tried another suggestion, went back to the foam pad, parked the car in the sun, and did long passes straight down the hood. I could see this fairly well if I moved just right - I could see the streaks. I'm pretty sure I got it on about as thin as I could without actually removing it with the applicator. Probably used 12 drops for the hood.



I let it cure for an hour. Buffed it out, with and without QD. Came off easier than last time, but there were still some spots that I had to go back over. My principal objection is that I have to look SO carefully - because the missed spots barely show - that is, of course, until you're showing off your car to somebody that night and the light falls just right. So Buffing took more time than I like to spend. Also, getting the spots that were a tiny bit too thick seems to take a lot of pressure on the wipe - and this scares me. If there is ever something there to cause a scartch, now it's going to be a dusey!



No argument with the look - it looks really good. No argument with the economy - a little bit goes a long way. The vote is still out on SG for me, though. I'm just not entiirely happy with the difficulty in applying it thinly yet evenly, and buffing it out. I think for coat #3 I will try the orbital with a soft foam pad for application. In my experience with other products (and even AIO) this does a good job of spreading a small amount of material thinly and evenly. I will ALSO try the orbital for buffing out, with an Ultimate Bonnet over a soft foam pad. If that combination works, I'll do the whole car.
 
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Why don't you wash your car in between coats of product? I noted on another thread that you said you applied Souveran with just a QD and found a scratch afterwards. Perhaps a good wash could prevent this?



In regards to thin coats -- You can feel where you have applied the klasse. I can't even see it sometimes but I know it is there by the feel of the applicator gliding over the paint. Don't worry about seeing it, you have gotten enough there. The layer you put on is probably 100* the thickness of the layer that actually stays, so if you apply it invisibly and get a coat out of 1/2 oz...good job. Don't think that's possible without a moist applicator though.



Have you tried misting the foam with distilled water or a good non-silicone non-carnauba QD (FI #34 works)? This helps a lot in getting thin coats.
 
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Originally posted by Carguy
I don't have a "microfiber applicator" that ShortCut suggested- but I did try folding up an Ultimate Wipe into 1/8ths. This didn't work - first swipe put in on too thick, second removed it ENTIRELY. So i tried another suggestion, went back to the foam pad, parked the car in the sun, and did long passes straight down the hood. I could see this fairly well if I moved just right - I could see the streaks. I'm pretty sure I got it on about as thin as I could without actually removing it with the applicator. Probably used 12 drops for the hood.</blockquote>

I'm very curious about Klasse so I've been paying a lot of attention to your test. Your first test was done with FOAM Pad and didn't work out well, then ShortCut suggested MF Applicator and doesn't seem to do much good either. I don't get it. Do you have to be so careful to pick the "PERFECT" applicator to apply Klasse? I mean, I can apply Zaino with Terry Pad, or Foam Pad without problem. I mean one may work better than other (foam go thinner etc.) but BOTH works. Why is Klasse so picky then? Why do a lot of people say Klasse is easy to use? Doesn't look like it to me!
 
12 drops is quite a bit for just the hood IMO. I use about 8 drops for the whole car, well nickel sized drops. The problem areas that you are talking about, 1 mist of sonus and they are gone!
 
I use an MF applicator with NO problems. I havent used foam, but I generally never use foam.
 
I have had excellent luck applying SG with a foam applicator. An ever-so-slight mist of FI helps spread it around. 12 drops for the hood seems excessive to me as well. You just have to get comfortable trusting yourself that you are applying enough product. If you can feel the slick glide of the klasse on the paint as you apply (you can go over each area), you've applied at least 20X as much product as will actually bond to the paint, so don't worry. Just don't miss any spots ;).
 
Yah, I have no experience with Klasse but 12 drops for the whole hood does sound too much. I would think 1 Drop with dampen applicator for HALF of hood (about dime/nickle size), dab it over various part of hood then work your way to distribute them on the panel (speaking from Zaino Expereince).
 
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Wax-Master - Your reponse has nothing to do with this thread. I read your post, and your several additions to it. I didn't compelled to respond. If you believe that crap I know if some prime real estate in New York you might want to buy.....

peterbum - if the car was at all dirty, I woyuld wash. I would NEVER attempt to QD a dirty car. I washed the Porsche today in my driveway, drove it to the garage where I keep the car I'm not driving, and parked it. Before covering I qd'd to get any dust off so the cover wouldn't scratch it, added the coat of souveran. The M5 was parked in similar fashion last week right after the first coat of SG. I always put my cars away clean, and cover them. So the M5 came home today, completely clean. I couldn't even see ANY dust on the hood, but I did QD just in case before I applied the SG.

Misting the foam is a good idea - I'll try that. But the "don't worry, it is there" thing scares me. Like when I wiped with the MF wipe, what reason could I have to believe it might NOT have entirely removed whatI had just layed down? This stuff does need to cure - but surely you could wipe what you just put down completely off too. I feel that I <strong class='bbc'>have[/b] to KNOW it is there - by feel or sight.

william420 - Shortcut suggested a "microfiber applicator" - and then said MAYBE a folded wipe would work too. I don't have the former - but was reporting that the latter didn't work.
 
I keep hearing that a lot of people have a hard time removing klasse. I know when I applied it to my *cough* coffee table the other day it was pretty hard to get off. (Hey, My truck isn't ready for it)



I'll be trying Klasse out, hopefully, this weekend. Hopefully, it'll buff off easier than what you are saying.



From what I have been reading about Klasse, people find it easier to buff off the longer you have it on. Maybe try to leave it on overnight?
 
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I have a little tip for removing the SG that will save your arms. Take MF towel and run it under some water and then wring it out really well so that it's just damp. Then use that to wipe off the SG. It really reduces the amount of buffing needed to remove the product. It cheaper than using a QD, and I feel it works better. :up
 
SG was difficult to remove and posed a real workout. The one time I did it in the sun....forget it! I did try using a damp cloth to remove it and it worked well, but a day later I saw a few hazy spots that I missed the first time around. I think I just need more experience with the product...........
 
If you can let it sit in a garage, etc. overnight I would suggest that (unfortunately I can't). I've applied 4 coats thus far and any missed spots that I noticed the next day seemed comnpletely dried and came off with great ease. The thinner the coat the better but drying time seems to make the difference - IMHO.
 
I used the Eagle One to dampen the MF applicator to apply the SG (as CMA recommends) I've doen 2 cars, 3 coats each now and NO problems removing. I think the EO ensures applying a SMALL amount, as it glides on the surface easier, making you not keep adding SG to the applicator.



Just a suggestion.
 
Would one of you guys successfully using a "microfiber applicator" for SG please point me to a specific product - a reference on the CMA site would be great. Thanks!
 
Hmmm, I'm not sure what the trouble is. When I applied Klasse, I used both the instructions that were included in the kit (Klasse Concours Kit) and what I had found on the forum.

Specifically, to apply the AIO, use a damp MF covered foam pad (one of 2 included in the kit) and wipe on. I buffed off and applied a second coat.

For the SG, I used the second pad, dry this time. I ended up doing the entire car and then went back and buffed it off (the enire process of walking around the car takes about 30 minutes). I had absolutely no difficulty in removing the small amount of reside left behind.

I did not use anything other than a dry Viper Detailing Cloth to remove residue and a dry Miracle/Magic towel to buff.

My feeling is that if the SG is too difficult to remove, then you area using too much product. It does not take much at all to cover a panel. A nickel to dime sized amount is all that's needed.

Don't give up on Klasse until you've adjusted your technique. I, too, was guilty of the "more is better" club, but found from many threads on the topic of Klasse that this is not the case.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by jimwh [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>My feeling is that if the SG is too difficult to remove, then you area using too much product. It does not take much at all to cover a panel. A nickel to dime sized amount is all that's needed.[/b]</blockquote>
can i assume you mean a nickel to dime sized amount <strong class='bbc'>for each panel[/b]? because that's very little product for a whole car. i've only applied sg to the motorcycle seat cowl that i have in my apartment right now. and it looks great. but it's not the easiest to remove. although, it's helped considerably with a spritz of sonus.
 
yes, that is right. The hood was probably 2 drops as was the trunk and the roof. The doors, if I recall, were about 1 and by the time I had gone around the whole car, the applicator was damp enough with product to handle the mirrors. In other words maybe <em class='bbc'>6 drops[/i] for the <span class='bbc_underline'>entire car.

By reading some of the many posts on Klasse, you'll find it consistently mentioned that 1 to 2 oz is all that's going to be needed unless you're detailing a bus. That makes the bottles a little large by my viewpoint, but if you have more than 1 car in the family, it's probably about right.
 
Often times, I think people go overboard when applying Klasse SG. Many need to realize that a LITTLE goes a LONG way. That's right, just a little and you'll be set. Twelve drops for any hood sounds like overkill. Usually a nickel-size amount of product will be fine for the hood. For me, that is about 2, maybe 3 drops on a foam pad. This leads me to believe why so many complain about SG, they are simply applying way too much. I find Klasse is probably one of the easiest products I have used as it is extremely economical and the durability simply can't be beat! :xyxthumbs
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by carguy [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Would one of you guys successfully using a "microfiber applicator" for SG please point me to a specific product - a reference on the CMA site would be great. Thanks! [/b]</blockquote>
Hey Greg, I use the green VIPER MF applicator for my ML and it looks stunning with 4 layers of SG.

hehe. I'm doing a little pun on your pictures :p
 
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