Review: Clearkote: Assorted Products

NY detailer said:
I understand what you are saying, but you need to see things from a non-mod view, they way others may see it.



you volunteer for david & you post about his products. What i am saying is that you have a working relationship with david whether or not you get paid. It is almost like a conflict of interest.
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So...what? Now anytime a mod posts a negative review about something you are just going to say that its because we are trying to make the stuff in the store look better? So none of my reviews have been objective? What do you want a moderator to do, Brian? Just sit there and move posts around and not speak? We aren't allowed to participate now because some may think we are less than objective? Ridiculous.
 
I did not imply this directly to you. It was just a thought that was going through my head and I have spoke with others who feel the same way. I understood your review, I was just something I needed to say and was not towards any one mod.



Maybe I worded it wrong, but i did not want this to become a flame war.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
So...what? Now anytime a mod posts a negative review about something you are just going to say that its because we are trying to make the stuff in the store look better? So none of my reviews have been objective? What do you want a moderator to do, Brian? Just sit there and move posts around and not speak? We aren't allowed to participate now because some may think we are less than objective? Ridiculous.
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wow, you mods sure are getting jumpy at this. Just remember I was the one who said I did not want this to be a flame war.
 
NY detailer said:
wow, you mods sure are getting jumpy at this. Just remember I was the one who said I did not want this to be a flame war.
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So now its supposed to be a pie throwing contest. You throw your unfounded accusations our way and we aren't supposed to respond?!?!
 
When you suggest that we are not being objective then yes I will get defensive. How would you like it if I questioned your ethics to everbody? If you didn't want this to become a flame war then perhaps you should go back and reword it the way you intended it to come out because the way it is written is extremely offensive to people who have been working on this board a lot longer than you have and don't appreciate having their ethics or morals being questioned by you.
 
NY detailer said:
wow, you mods sure are getting jumpy at this. Just remember I was the one who said I did not want this to be a flame war.
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I tend to get angry when you suggest we would commit fraud.
 
Mods vs NYD round 1.



I understand that David has every right to sell products and make money selling products. In fact I hope he does very well with his store.

It is jsut that in my opinion it would be a conflict of interest for mods posting opinions on davids product line. You have a working relation that revolves around autopia.



[The only thing that is going through my head is that Mods will start to do product reviews and start to push some of david's stuff.]

there is nothing wrong with what i have above, It was a though that came across my mind.



[IMO mods should not be allowed to post product reviews on Davids line of products. Because in a way they do work for david and it would be like me working for meg's coming here and trying to push meg's products.]

above is my way of explaining my thought. not accusing anyone of anything.



[These product reviews must be honest and not steering anyone away just for a sale.]

above could have been worded better i agree



[This is just my thought and I have no intention to bash anyone or start a flame.]

was not bashing and did not want to start a flame war, but i don't think you guys saw that line.
 
Then by your rational you should never be allowed to mention Final Polish, since you sell it on your site.
 
I'm sure NYD meant no offense to anyone in particular. However, I don't really see why the mods would be any more biased towards David's stuff than anyone else here. We would all be as likely to be biased towards David's stuff as they would. We all enjoy this forum and appreciate the work he does to keep it going. We all have something to gain by David making a buck and keeping the board going.



However, I am also sure we all know that David is a good and decent guy. If any of us felt his products didn't perform, I think we can be quite sure he would rather know about it so that he could try to fix the problem than to have us shill his crappy stuff so he could make a quick buck. So I see no reason why moderators, autopia lovers, or DavidB fans would be less than honest in their reviews of the products he sells. In the long run it would only hurt David, Autopia, and the reviewer who keeps buying his stuff (since they are giving up a chance to have an even better product from David) to artificially praise his stuff. In my opinion, as long as the moderators are the hard-working, upstanding volunteers we have now, then the possibility of a conflict of interest is a non-issue. There is no conflict. Just my opinion. ;) :wavey
 
bjwebster said:
So now its supposed to be a pie throwing contest. You throw your unfounded accusations our way and we aren't supposed to respond?!?!
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Good lord get over it already.
 
In my ShowroomLincoln voice: Gentlemen, lets keep it friendly.



Brian, I respect your opinion. "IMO mods should not be allowed to post product reviews on Davids line of products." Fine, if you feel that way. But to accuse the moderators of working and pushing for David's stuff is starting a war. To accuse moderators of being dishonest and of steering people away from a sale, is starting a war. I don't care if you say it isn't your intention - your attitude certainly shows it. I have always liked your straight-fowardness, but today, you are a Metallic Mike.



Just my opinion. I don't mean to start any flame wars. :rolleyes:

































See the irony?
 
My, my, my... didn't this get ugly! What's all the fuss about? Tomorrow is Easter. A day to celebrate. I don't think we need an argument over something as trivial as product reviews.



Let's be done with this and take it up another day, shall we?
 
I was just unhappy with the Moose Wax. I put it over the VMW and didnt see abit of differance. I do like the fact they can be applied in the sun. I will be sending the MW back. S100 or P21S will be the replacement.
 
Bj - :eek:



NYD - Can I be a tad candid here? While you raise an interesting point, that is something that we as mods are ethical enough to avoid. The reason why the mods are getting defensive is that you are questioning their ethics and, I really can't blame them. We as moderators are extremely capable of giving an unbiased review of ANY product including the ones sold in the store. Will it affect our relationship w/ David if we give a negative review of a product? No. In fact, David, of all people, understands that we are all not going to have the same experiences with different products used because we all are aware that results vary with surface prep and initial vehicle condition.
 
I'm not a mod nor will I pretend to know what the mods' relationship with David is. But let me just say this in their defense simply because it seems to make sense to me:



I have a great deal of respect for this organization in its ability to usually stay civil with regard to discussions about product reviews, tips and advice, etc. However what I'm seeing right now is indeed, as bj put it, "a pie throwing contest." To that end, I see this as simply an argument based in difference of opinion, which is slowly getting out of hand.



There are some members who have posted in this thread who are using the "mod" card to push their opinion. I'm sorry, but your opinion is no better or worse than that of any other member or of any mod on this board. And as such it is unfair of those members to be accusing the mods (and not just unfair to the mods, but unfair to everyone on this board) of unfair practices, just to get their own gains. This separates the mods from the rest of us, making them less a part of the community, and more of just a police force with no say in discussing that which is the topic of this board.



So please I ask you, the members, to stop bashing the mods just because they're mods (we're not anarchists against any semblance of order or authority, mind you) and to the mods, please when you see a situation like this where you are being bashed, just use your authority to close a thread, or give temporary bans (1 week for example) to those offending members. By continuing an argument like this, all we are doing is prolonging a problem and creating a more disgruntled neighborhood for discussing an artform.



So to one and all, "Its just a stupid wax!! Get over it!!"





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