Replenishing Supplies: Polish

Thanks to all again for all the suggestions and insight.

Since I`m not set on one coating I don`t think I`ll go the Essence/Primer route simply to keep things simply and not get locked into a brand specific primer.

Thanks for pointing out The Rag Company selling Optimum products. I had no idea and previously bought my WW towels from them off Amazon. Right now it looks like their only 4oz polish samples are for Intensive Polish not Hyper Polish.

At this point I think I`ll stick with EX 04-06 for the hard paint on my VW. I`m waffling when it becomes down to something for the the very soft paint on my Honda and Toyota. Right now I think I`m down to HD Polish+ or Hyper Polish. I`m sure I`ll figure it out the next time a sale hits.

Thanks again.
 
Seems like they got rid of the 4 oz samples of hyper polish and hyper compound even on their own site. That`s too bad. I think the full bottle of hyper polish is worth having anyway. Better than HD Polish in my opinion.
 
The Guz said:
... I think the full bottle of hyper polish is worth having anyway. Better than HD Polish in my opinion.
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Always interested to hear how/why people prefer [whatever] over the HD :D The two are quite different, aren`t they? I mean..isn`t the Hyper a diminishing-abrasive product?
 
Based on some research performed while procrastinating doing some work last night, there is debate as to exactly what type of abrasives are used. In an old video on AG, Dr. G mentions the product has both SMAT and DAT abrasives. However, not long afterwards a discussion of this topic on the Optimum forums, an Optimum rep stated the abrasives are SMAT. Who knows.

Maybe I`m not experienced enough to care or really notice that much difference, but I do appreciate knowing the abrasive type in order to use the proper technique.
 
Desertnate- FWIW, the reason I like the nondiminishing abrasives is that you don`t *have* to work them until they break down. This makes it easier for me as, well...I just don`t have to think about that and I like that I can work them for a very short time if that`s all that`s required.
 
Accumulator said:
Always interested to hear how/why people prefer [whatever] over the HD :D The two are quite different, aren`t they? I mean..isn`t the Hyper a diminishing-abrasive product?
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Yvan mentioned in the facebook group that "it`s a proprietary abrasive technology closer to SMAT". Quoted word for word from his post. So similar in non-diminishing abrasives between the two polishes. I

Anyway I am basing my statements on the overall performance between Hyper Polish related to HD Polish and not HD Polish+. Was turned off by HD Polish that I don`t have a desire to try out the + version. Shoot I am going to go out on a limb and say the previous polishes I mentioned up above are better in overall performance compared to HD Polish (non + version).

As a matter of fact I donated my HD Polish to JustJesus free of charge.
 
Hmmmm, Menzerna just isn`t sexy anymore on the forums. Personally, I can`t beat 2500 as a one step polish, or specific correction for swirls, towel marks, marring, light etching, etc. Adapt (RIP) was the only thing I`ve liked as well.
 
The Guz- Ah, so the Hyper is *NOT* what I thought it was after all! Gee, it`s been a while but still, my bad, thanks for schooling me.

Anyway I am basing my statements on the overall performance between Hyper Polish related to HD Polish .. Was turned off by HD Polish..As a matter of fact I donated my HD Polish to JustJesus free of charge.
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Sounds like you were *really* turned off by the HD! I`d love to know exactly why, but I`ll quit belaboring the point and just assume it`s one of those Personal Preference things.

Heh heh, given my incorrect ?take/assumptions/memory? about the Hyper, who knows what I might think if I were to try it again, but eh...that spray-delivery just wasn`t Accumulator-proof for some reason.

Still does get my attention when somebody has a definite preference over one of my faves though! Now I`m all curious about what JustJesus thought of his free HD....
 
WaxAddict said:
Hmmmm, Menzerna just isn`t sexy anymore on the forums. Personally, I can`t beat 2500 as a one step polish, or specific correction for swirls, towel marks, marring, light etching, etc. Adapt (RIP) was the only thing I`ve liked as well.
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I wasn`t looking at Menzerna because they are so oily. By all accounts, the BF SRC Duo I was using is similar in many ways to Menzerna products. I really liked it as a polish, but the clean up and coating prep afterwards was difficult because of the polishing oils left behind. If I was still using sealants like 845, they may have still been in the running.
 
Desertnate- Yeah, the oils and associated, uhm...factors...in Menzerna rule it out for me too. But the BF SRC stuff was pretty low-oil for them, probably the only stuff of theirs I didn`t absolutely hate.
 
You can tweak Ultimate Polish by using a more aggressive pad. Something like a Lake Country Cyan Hydrotech, green Buff and Shine, or even a microfiber finishing pad can take it closer to medium territory.

M205 can be similar, but there have been instances where I wasn`t able to get M205 to finish without hazing. Very few and far between. In all honesty, it was probably just my technique.

However, Ultimate Polish as always been easy to get the result I was looking for. Lake Country Tangerine Hydrotech, and Blue CCS pads finish great with UP. Seems with UP the slower you can get the pad rotating, yet maintaining rotation the better the finish. A Blue Buff and Shine pad at speed 2.5/3 on an old PC 7424 is a favorite finishing combo for me. Light pressure, two passes.
 
My problem with the UC wasn`t the cut or the ease of use. Initially it was the oils which made it harder to clean up while prepping for a coating. Later when I ran a side-by-side test against another polish when doing a test spot, I realized the other product finished out better.

It`s still a good polish and served as my "training wheels" while building skills on a DA. I`d still recommend it to anyone just starting out, but I`m now at a point where I`m ready to try new things.
 
danlc95 said:
M205 can be similar, but there have been instances where I wasn`t able to get M205 to finish without hazing. Very few and far between...
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Intersting. I`ve only had it haze glossy black plastics, but even with no hazing it just didn`t give as nice a finish as other stuff.

A Blue Buff and Shine pad at speed 2.5/3 on an old PC 7424 is a favorite finishing combo for me. Light pressure, two passes.
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Also interesting! Gee, I`ve never dropped the speed that much that I can recall...and I generally do that kind of Final Polishing with the fixed speed Cyclo (much faster). Different people/paints/etc...and I sure agree about keeping the pad rotating!
 
Accumulator said:
Also interesting! Gee, I`ve never dropped the speed that much that I can recall...and I generally do that kind of Final Polishing with the fixed speed Cyclo (much faster). Different people/paints/etc...and I sure agree about keeping the pad rotating!
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My understanding with hyper compound and hyper polish, Is that you use speed 3 for them. So is that right or wrong? My plans for the camaro is to use uc then hyper polish.
 
SWETM said:
I don`t hear much about carpro reflect? Those that do use it seems to like it.
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Personally I was not a fan of it when I tried it. Real short working time and created a lot of dust. Reminded me of M105 with similar characteristics.

I may give it another try in the future.
 
The Guz said:
Personally I was not a fan of it when I tried it. Real short working time and created a lot of dust. Reminded me of M105 with similar characteristics.

I may give it another try in the future.
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I have to ask you if your environment makes some polishes to dust? When the deminishing abrasive is broken down and you get a clear polish the abrasives is broken down and not need to work it anymore. If overworked they dry and dust but would`nt in normal cases dust. I think that you know this and just curious if maybe you have extreme heat environment that makes the water in the polish to dry before it breaks down. The reflect is fast working as the clear cut and don`t need more than 4-5 passes to break down. And very little product is necessary with it. In warmer environment maybe some water based compounds and polishes is not suited for?
 
Coleroad said:
My understanding with hyper compound and hyper polish, Is that you use speed 3 for them. So is that right or wrong? My plans for the camaro is to use uc then hyper polish.
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For the optimum products, I think you’re right to use a slower speed. From what I gather their whole system is based on generating less heat in the panel. I’m not sure what the ideal speed would be for a smaller throw DA since I would guess they had their longer throw Zen tool in mind during development? Hopefully more well versed folks can chime in.
 
SWETM said:
I have to ask you if your environment makes some polishes to dust? When the deminishing abrasive is broken down and you get a clear polish the abrasives is broken down and not need to work it anymore. If overworked they dry and dust but would`nt in normal cases dust. I think that you know this and just curious if maybe you have extreme heat environment that makes the water in the polish to dry before it breaks down. The reflect is fast working as the clear cut and don`t need more than 4-5 passes to break down. And very little product is necessary with it. In warmer environment maybe some water based compounds and polishes is not suited for?
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Tried it every which way and it was more work that it had to be. Most of the time it is around 70-75 degrees here with no extreme heat or humidity. The benefits of living close to the beach here in Southern California. I ended up putting it aside and went with Optimum Hyper Polish on that day.

I`ll give Reflect another shot but not any time soon.
 
Coleroad said:
My understanding with hyper compound and hyper polish, Is that you use speed 3 for them. So is that right or wrong? My plans for the camaro is to use uc then hyper polish.
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Well, oneheadlite likes lower speeds with the Hyper, maybe that *is* the ticket.

Eh, I`m just done with products I have to struggle to master...it`s either Accumulator-proof from the jump (seems that lots of stuff qualifies in every category) or I use something else.
 
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