Red paint on buffing pad ????

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Mr Monk

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I just got a new Honda S2000 in red. Very sharp looking.



I did the detail preping myself instead of the dealer and I noticed that my pads picked up some red color.



What would cause that? I thought there was a Clearcoat on top. Is it possible that Honda uses a non-CC on their cars, or at least the S2000?



I used a PC and Optimum polish with a LC white pad. Was very careful. Speed no higher than 5.



Any thoughts on this?



Thanks.
 
It's single stage paint so there's no clear coat, hence the paint transfer to your pad. I don't know specifically which manufacturers use SS on some of their colours, but if they do it's usually only with red and black, and sometimes white (I think).



Ben
 
I really cant understand (although it appears evident) why car makers arent using CC on certaim colors? Is it borderline violations with air quality guidelines ? VOC's?
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I really cant understand (although it appears evident) why car makers arent using CC on certaim colors? Is it borderline violations with air quality guidelines ? VOC's?
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I just did a random google, and it seems to be mostly a cost issue, although that would make you think why auto manufacturers dont just do single stage on all their cars with a non-metallic base coat.
 
I had a bright red Toyota 4Runner and it had single stage paint. Maybe it's just metalic colors that get clearcoat for some brands. I don't think cars made in Japan like the S2000 or my old 4Runner worry about air quality guidelines. I buffed my bright red Chevy truck and it's clearcoated. It's like Asian pianos, they are finished in polyester to give them that smooth shiny look, that could never happen in the U.S.
 
Thanks everyone.

Ok then, I'm dealing with ss paint - is there any special precautions I need to take when using a PC and a polish?
 
Nope, not single stage but it does likely have a tinted clear coat as many of the red H cars have had over the last decade+.
 
Scottwax said:
Just FYI, Lexus solid black is also single stage.
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Not lately. I believe they began cc on their Black Onyx in late 2001 or early 2002.



I just finished a 2004 SC and it was definitely CC.
 
Yeah, according to toyoemp who has a few black Lexus in his personal collection, NONE of his are SS. I have heard from one of the guys at Meguiar's that his has "tinted" clear.



The saga continues........
 
Dr Groove



Did the pad looked like that??



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I detailed a red S2000 few weeks ago, and the pads turned red...its SSP



take a look at the rest here



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=59462&highlight=red+baron



Akele abraço
 
RRacer - Yes, pad looked like that, however not as red because it is a brandy new car.



The car you worked on had been neglected so I understand there was oxidation you had to remove.



I used Optimum polish and was very gentle with the application yet the pad picked up some red.



So, apprently Honda is still using SSP with their reds???
 
The red S2000 is NOT SS, but paint transfer occurs because (as best any of us owners can tell) the clear is indeed tinted. Honda has been known to use color pigment in the clear coat of it's red vehicles, but ALL S2000's are CC. Honda will tell you it's CC.



Not all NFR owners experience transfer, but many do. Your pads look pink/tinted to me, not red like the recent Ferrari detail by Scottwax (Scottwax's picture):



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As far as I understand asian car makers do not use CC on solid color paints and only on metallic colors to bind in the flakes. US automakers use CC on all SS and metallic paints. CC hide paint defects better than SS, no need to polish to get all panel to the same gloss, so as manufacturing goes, its more forgiving in paint workmanship with the use of CC.



The added cost of say a Mercedes and a Lexus is the method paint is prepped to match the gloss on all panels. Mercedes polishes the side panels to match gloss on the hood, roof and trunk lid a more time consuming procedure whereas Lexus uses abrasives to dull the roof, hood and trunk to match the side panels.
 
But many Lexus are built in the US... S2000s are built in Japan, but there are other non-metallic S2000s (White and Black - at least here in the US) but they don't ever show paint transfer. Red (NFR) is the only color that shows this problem.
 
As I said in an earlier post, the red Honda cars have a tinted clear coat and aren't SS. You're drawing color because of the tint in the clear.
 
If so that is BS. SSP on today's paints. Should be outlawed. Red cars oxidise the quickest from things I have seen and it's the 21st century. How much does standard CC cost nowdays

Understand if they wouldn't use PPG Ceramiclear but gees, If buying a new car, I would ask the dealer about this before buying.
 
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