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Our chemist actually designed the polymers that go into our wax. They are unique to our product and are not found in any other wax in the world. They provide lasting protection, long after the carnauba is gone. As a footnote, many major chemical companies throughout the world call on our chemist to solve THEIR problems. Basically, he knows his business.



We also use #1 grade white Brazilian carnauba. Pinnacle (as you used as an example) uses #1 yellow. The difference between the two is that you will get a more reflective finish, showing the true color with the white.



By combining the latest European and American technology, we are able to manufacture the ultimate wax right here in the United States.



While we were at SEMA, we tested Waxing Frenzy against waxes that some of the show cars were using. Every single person that tried our Waxing Frenzy or our Spray Wax immediately switched. What they found very impressive was the finger-print retardent properties.



Waxing Frenzy goes 2-3 times farther than other waxes. As it is designed to chemically feed the finish, rather than coat the finish, a little goes a long way.



One product (Waxing Frenzy) can be used on the paint, chrome, headlights/tail lights, bug shields, isinglass, and glass, the number of products needed is drastically reduced. I know this is something that auto detailers are definitely not accustomed to and it seems like "snake oil", but as I have said before, we developed them to make our detailing business more profitable. We saved time (easier to apply and remove), money (less products), and turned out better results than with the products we were using.



Waxing Frenzy can be applied in direct sunlight, onto surfaces up to 120 degrees F. It will not harden onto the surface.



It can be buffed or hand applied. The results we have found are not that much different.



You can see pictures and comments taken directly from forums on our website: http://www.hammerheadboatworks.com/customer_comments.html



Joe Gibbs Performance is using us not only on their race cars, but on their Joe Gibbs Special Edition Silverados and Tahoes. Once we showed our waxes to them, their jaws dropped. They said, hands down, our wax outperformed the other manufacturers that were banging down their door. I would think they might know a thing or two about the subject.



We are always available to answer questions and address concerns.
 
QUOTE: After two consecutive days of 100 degree temperatures and 90% relative humidity, sitting in direct sunlight on a black vehicle the product disappeared. Texas weather seems to be mercilous on car care products.



Not sure what you used to wash the vehicle. If it stripped the carnauba, the polymers would protect, resulting in a sheeting action (not beading). There is no way possible for the wax to wash off with water.....no way at all, whether in Texas, Arizona, Florida, or South America. If it can withstand the rigors of being in the salt water, in Florida, in the summer, for several weekends, it will certainly withstand "cold water rinse".
 
Kim, I think you are sincere in your efforts to help us understand what makes WF 'different'.



What you may not understand is, we have heard it all before. (I have been waxing cars for 30+ years). Plus, we all know you are pushing WF, so your opinions are naturally biased.



Perhaps your product would be better served if you asked for 10 volunteers to try your WF free of charge. In return, the volunteers would give their honest feedback.



I have a BMW that I will put your product on, next to #16 and some NXT I have left............ What do you think?:nixweiss
 
If I've learned nothing else form this forum...it's to keep an open mind. Of course I take all claims with a grain of salt..sometimes a BOX of salt. Nevertheless, I've found that I really like some products that at first seemed too good to be true. Yes, I've acquired a pretty large collection of products..some, I'll never use again, but I find that I often re-try things I haven't used in awhile..sometimes to very good results.

Does your company have the ability to offer small sample sizes for members here to try? If nothing else, it will give us the opportunity to review your product and offer our opinions. I've always been very impressed as to how some members here will do in depth reviews of products. I'd be very interested in seeing if your product looks better on my black test subject than some of my favorites...S100, NXT, Liquid Soveran, etc.
 
If your chemist has designed a Carnauba / polymer type wax that has a melting point of 1210oF (four timed higher than maost car care products )I'm sure you've taken out a patent on it, could I have that number.



I wait for the answers to both my questions and everyone else's with baited breath

JonM
 
pwalk said:


Perhaps your product would be better served if you asked for 10 volunteers to try your WF free of charge. In return, the volunteers would give their honest feedback.



I have a BMW that I will put your product on, next to #16 and some NXT I have left............ What do you think?:nixweiss



I couldn't agree more. Even if you sent 50 people a 4 oz. test bottle, you'd have some of the best product testing available. And if it did work the way you say it will, you'd have 50 new customers.



After all, the proof is in the pudding.....
 
Frenzy said:
QUOTE: Not sure what you used to wash the vehicle.



dternst[/i] [b]QUOTE: I performed a 5 minute cold rinse with a light wash of WF's shampoo (used less shampoo than recommended) no evidence of the wax was present.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frenzy said:
QUOTE:If it stripped the carnauba, the polymers would protect, resulting in a sheeting action (not beading).



Please prove to me that the wax film protection initially applied is still on the surface. Sheeting is not a good indicator of the protective layer still being present. If the polymers were still present, the surface would feel slick to the touch. No slickness was evident after using YOUR shampoo to perform a light wash.



DavidB said:
QUOTE: A better test of paint protection is feel. If your paint finish continues to feel smooth, itâ€â„¢s because oxidation is not highly active and contamination is not sticking.
 
pwalk said:
Kim, I think you are sincere in your efforts to help us understand what makes WF 'different'.



What you may not understand is, we have heard it all before. (I have been waxing cars for 30+ years). Plus, we all know you are pushing WF, so your opinions are naturally biased.



I DO understand...that's what drives us.



Perhaps your product would be better served if you asked for 10 volunteers to try your WF free of charge. In return, the volunteers would give their honest feedback.



I will send a sample to the first 10 people that e-mail their info to me at: [email protected]



BTW: Try getting Meguiar's to send you anything for free.



I have a BMW that I will put your product on, next to #16 and some NXT I have left............ What do you think?:nixweiss
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Ah, the mythical "white" carnauba again . . . I wonder if WF and Zymol get theirs from the same place. :chuckle:



Tort



I can honestly say...NO. And, it is not mythical; just extremely rare.
 
For what it is worth, this is what I read about "white" carnauba: There are some wax manufacturers that advertise the use of only white carnauba in their products. There is no such thing as an albino carnauba tree (the power of advertising). Number one grade yellow carnauba wax has been repeatedly tested and shown to produce, by far, the deepest shine and the best clarity.



Doing a Google search on white carnauba wax yields Zymol, Trade Secret, Flitz (if you can believe that!) and Frenzy.



Kim, maybe you should give some samples to some professional detailers here and let them try it out and report on looks and durability. There are some very reputable, honest and expert detailers here who report on new products.
 
There are also "some" manufacturers that advertise "Ivory", which is completely non-existent.



I agree, the detailers on this site seem to know their business. However, there are things that we, as detailers, are not privvy to, nor are "some" manufacturers. White carnauba does exist and is not accessible in most circles. It comes from a different region of Brazil and is not generally available for export. I'd be surprised if the products you listed actually contain it. Not for me to say.



I'm signing off for the night. Samples will go out tomorrow to those who e-mailed requests.
 
I have to say this is honestly the biggest pile of warm BS Ive ever read from any manufacturer. Either you think everyone here is an idiot, or you are the biggest fool of us all, for believing what youre saying.



First and foremost. White carnauba doesnt exist anywhere in the world. Its ALL yellow in its natural state. White carnauba is bleached or altered carnauba.

2nd is, not even a polymer in a liquid form has a melting point of 1200 degrees. much less any blend using silicones and carnauba. (now, go ahead and tell me how you dont use silicones in your wax, or that you use "more Teflon" than anyone else...)

NASCAR is the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing, not a a race team. Nascar is a governing body and corporation of a sport. Not a race team. They dont need wax on their book of rules or stopwatches.

No NASCAR racing team ever waxes their cars for competition or testing. Ive never seen them do aything other than wash a race car. Most times , not even that. You can wax a brick all day and it wont be anymore aerodynamic than it was before wax.



I can assure that after 5 minutes of cold water rinse and 2 washes, WF id gone. Dead. Fine'. Collinite is the only carnauba wax Ive ever seen beat that test.



On a final note, if your chemist was such a genuis, he wouldnt be wasting his time mixing car wax for some little known wax company.
 
Frenzy said:
To begin with, we use #1 grade white carnauba which (unlike yellow carnaubas) will not leave a light yellow film on your vehicle.



Waxing Frenzy protects up to 1210 degrees.



NASCAR uses Waxing Frenzy because of its aerodynamic properties. Some of our NASCAR teams have actually picked up speed using it.






I would be willing to purchase the company from you if you can substantiate these 3 statements.
 
Sullybob - I'm dead serious. I get asked on a regular basis by the large retail chains for products unlike anything else on the market.



This is it. If I can substantiate these statements, the large automotive chains would put this product on the shelf in no time flat. It would be good for us, the retailer, and the consumer.



But, I don't want to run afoul of the FTC by making claims which can't be proven like happened with some of the oil additive companies back in the 1980s and 1990s with their claims regarding teflon additives.



As soon as I an get this information, I'll gladly write a check for earnest money and start due diligence.
 
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