Reccomendations for polishes with more cut?

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Right now I currently have a couple polishes in my arsenal, Danase Swirl Abolisher I and II, II being the stronger cut of the two. I have had these for quite a while, and in the past they have worked OK for me. Since I am starting to get my first gen 7424 out more often, I have a few cars that I am working on and these just aren't cutting it for me. I can't really say how well either one is in terms of cut compared to other products out there, becuase I haven't tried anything else before to use on an entire vehicle. I know they are older polishes, but has anyone else out there used them and could let me know what they are equivalent to, just curious



Anways, I bought some of the Meguiars Ultimate Compound based upon reviews I have read of it having heavier cut and being much easier to use than M105. I haven't got a chance to use it yet, but am I going to be wasting my time using the UC compared to what I have now?



I want to get a few different polishes and compounds to have on hand, but they needs to be compatible with the PC 7424, be fairly easy to use (as in somthing a once in a while weekend polisher can get the hang of quickly, unlike M105), and work well on GMs and other harder finishes. Also, something that doesn't have a ton of oils that will fill more than correct, and the less dusting the better. Hopefully I am not asking too much in a product





Could you all give me some product suggestions and reccomendations? At the moment I am thinking of the following



Optimum Compound II

Optimum Polish II

Optimum Finish
 
There is a review of optimum compound II versus M105 on here somewhere. The end result was very minimal differences but with less dusting on OCII. Honestly, the hardest thing I've had a problem with M105 is cleaning up the dusting (and low working time...), it's pretty easy to get to an almost LSP-ready finish with M105.
 
Pad Dependency



All abrasive polishes are ‘foam pad and applied pressure dependant’ as far as their paint correction abilities are concerned. Any abrasive / pad combination is reliant upon its most abrasive component.



If we consider the Lake County (LC) White foam (50 PPI) polishing pad as the baseline; any polish used will derive help from the abrasive abilities of the foam. Then consider the LC Blue (70 PPI) finishing pad has no abrasive ability and will contribute nothing to the cutting capability of a polish.



What is derived from this is that a polishes abrasive ability can be ‘fine tuned’ by using different combinations (abrasiveness) of polish and foam (the same thing is true of wool pads) and of course differing the amount of downward pressure (10-15 Lbs is the usual range) applied will also have an effect on the abrasives capability



Different pad / product combinations (least abrasive pad / polish first)



a) Base pad / product (least abrasive pad / product) if this combination does not provide the desired results, increase the aggressiveness of the technique or product selection.

b) Step-up 1 - using the same pad with a more abrasive product

c) Step-up II – use a less abrasive pad and the same product as used in step-up I

d) Step-up III- using the same pad with a more abrasive product



As can been ascertained from the above the total abrasive ability of a polish / foam pad combination is subject to many variables, the polishes abrasive ability is just the starting point



Factors that increase abrasion ability



• Increased speed (Velocity)

• Increased pressure (Compression)

• Use smaller pad(Reduced surface Area)

• Using a slower panel transition speed (Increased surface contact time)

• Reduce the working area



The key to the polishing process is to know how the paint will react with each pad / polish combination you consider using. You must know your product and what its capabilities are before using it. This is why a ‘test’ spot is so important.



The factors that affect the outcome -speed, friction (kinetic energy) applied pressure, foam pad actual surface contact area, pad grit number (abrasive ability) amount of surface lubrication available, the surface area and heat conductivity of material



All pads have a performance cycle, meaning you will get the desired results only to a certain point on that curve. The point of declining performance is typically reached by polish / compound pad being overloaded with product; you should always be able to see the individual cells or texture of the pad, with proper, regular cleaning pad overload can be avoided.



Clean (or replace) you pads frequently: pads are easy to clean; the slotted pad face actually makes it easy to clean. Do not use the same pad to apply differing products as cross contamination will reduce the effectiveness or completely negate their purpose altogether. A new or freshly cleaned pad must be used with each type of car care product.
 
SpoolinNoMore said:
There is a review of optimum compound II versus M105 on here somewhere. The end result was very minimal differences but with less dusting on OCII. Honestly, the hardest thing I've had a problem with M105 is cleaning up the dusting (and low working time...), it's pretty easy to get to an almost LSP-ready finish with M105.
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Yeah I saw the review on OCII, thats what got me interested in it. Just wanted to see what others thoughts are on it. Also for those that tried it, is usually Optimum Polish II enough to finish off with?
 
Sounds like a good plan to me..... Although I a Menzerna fan...



RedlineIRL said:
Right now I currently have a couple polishes in my arsenal, Danase Swirl Abolisher I and II, II being the stronger cut of the two. I have had these for quite a while, and in the past they have worked OK for me. Since I am starting to get my first gen 7424 out more often, I have a few cars that I am working on and these just aren't cutting it for me. I can't really say how well either one is in terms of cut compared to other products out there, becuase I haven't tried anything else before to use on an entire vehicle. I know they are older polishes, but has anyone else out there used them and could let me know what they are equivalent to, just curious



Anways, I bought some of the Meguiars Ultimate Compound based upon reviews I have read of it having heavier cut and being much easier to use than M105. I haven't got a chance to use it yet, but am I going to be wasting my time using the UC compared to what I have now?



I want to get a few different polishes and compounds to have on hand, but they needs to be compatible with the PC 7424, be fairly easy to use (as in somthing a once in a while weekend polisher can get the hang of quickly, unlike M105), and work well on GMs and other harder finishes. Also, something that doesn't have a ton of oils that will fill more than correct, and the less dusting the better. Hopefully I am not asking too much in a product





Could you all give me some product suggestions and reccomendations? At the moment I am thinking of the following



Optimum Compound II

Optimum Polish II

Optimum Finish
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